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What you state makes sense. Those better off will be less concerned about the impacts of remaining in the EU and immigration because its less likely to effect them.
originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Well, i have finally met a few Brexiters, so there are some around my area.........just not many! Still find it interesting that my experiences with this are so far removed from most of you seem to be reporting.
I was in Amersham at the weekend (very expensive, nice town) and the Leave camp were out campaigning - with very little response. I also went to Aylesbury (with same friends) which is a town i love but, it has to be said, much more "working class" for that part of England and again the Leave camp were out campaigning in the town centre - with much more support. So my experiences kind of backed up what the polls are saying, ie that the less well educated areas are more in favour of Brexit.
This got me thinking though that, actually, it is less about education and more simply a reflection that people in the "less well educated" areas actually believe they are more at risk from large scale migration. By this i mean that there is more a belief in these areas that there jobs, for example, are more at risk.
Either way, it was actually quite a pleasure to have a chat with those campaigning to Leave. They were certainly courteous and civil (makes a change from usual General Election campaigning) and were quite happy to try and answer questions. Interstingly enough, i did not see one person campaigning to Stay in either town (haven't at home in York either).
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I would assume the loss of Labour seats is due to the fact that Labour are supporting Stay in the EU. Also UKIP have picked up seats so this may be an indicator that folk favour leving the EU. Thoughts chaps and chapesses?
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I would assume the loss of Labour seats is due to the fact that Labour are supporting Stay in the EU. Also UKIP have picked up seats so this may be an indicator that folk favour leving the EU. Thoughts chaps and chapesses?
I beg to differ, the results of the local elections are an indication that voters are taking the EU referendum seriously and I expect a large turn out in favour of Leave. The results also suggest that voters are not happy with the EU. But I could be wrong and we are f.ck.d or will be!
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I would assume the loss of Labour seats is due to the fact that Labour are supporting Stay in the EU. Also UKIP have picked up seats so this may be an indicator that folk favour leving the EU. Thoughts chaps and chapesses?
The Brexit vote is going to be to stay. That's a near certainty now. Unless something major happens between now and June.
When you look at the polling - it's the young, rich , Scots and Welsh that will keep us in.
The EU has never had one common vernacular, let alone one shared common culture. Hence the blandness of euro banknotes: the EU can’t even agree on shared icons without squabbling. This is much more important than dullard Eurocrats comprehend. They, and the economists and business leaders who forever champion a united Europe, regard people mainly as producers and consumers, blank slates who can be remoulded into good EU citizens. They fail to see people as complex individuals bestowed and even hampered by their language and cultures.
If you fit many cultures and languages into one economic system, the result is ever-more pronounced regional inequality and consequent nationalist resentment. Populist, reactionary and radical movements have emerged as a direct consequence of the euro and the pockets of poverty it has spawned.
Yet the more the EU moves its people towards unity, the more it will seal its own demise. The point of any federal system is that member states want to live in a broad association, but not in one, unified sovereign state. Federal states are ripped apart when the centre over-exerts its authority: witness Yugoslavia in the 1990s. The same would happen to the US were Washington to extend its power in the manner Brussels continues to do today. Unlike the Stars and Stripes, no one reveres or adores the European flag. No one would fight for it; only against it.
You may or may not be right. The regret will not be mine! But what do the people want is the question!
originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
The bookies seem to think the UK will stay in the EU
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The majority of the political parties and the TPTB want the UK to stay in the EU.
So regardless of what joe public thinks or votes I am certain the UK will not be leaving the EU.
You may or may not be right. The regret will not be mine! But what do the people want is the question!
originally posted by: eletheia
EU is a "leap in the dark" or "the unknown"
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ForteanOrg
I heard there is a secret treaty being passed immediately after the referendum banning fish and chips, only snails or frogs legs and chips! The legs have to be no less than 10mm thick and a prescribed curvature as well
*Edit*
Only teasing, the treaty is just banning the word chips, they will have to be referred to as French fries at the point of sale!
originally posted by: Morrad
a reply to: bigyin
For legal purposes we are all classed as British citizens.
That was my only point.
ETA I actually prefer English to British and being a libertarian would like to see a separate English parliament based outside London.