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Yes you are correct. It was around 2/5 on for Stay and 2/1 for Leave 3 days ago. I was going to place a bet at 200 at 2/1 but not done it yet. I will do it now at whatever odds they are. See odds
originally posted by: 83Liberty
I've been keeping an eye on the odds of us voting Remain or Leave here for the past few weeks now.
Obviously you have to take the odds with a pinch of salt, especially with 'Stay' continuously being the most popular bet.
However, the odds have shortened massively for 'Leave' in the past 2 days, I thought I would mention it.
Are the bookies finally waking up to how many people actually want to Leave? or has George Osbourne's scare-mongering totally back fired?
I contacted the Vote Leave team about the 350m some 30 mins ago and this was their response
originally posted by: 83Liberty
originally posted by: Flavian
So Gove claims we send £350 million per week? That leaves me very disappointed in Gove - along with Jacob Rees Mogg he is by far the cleverst person in Parliament and yet he is lying about his figures. So he claims the Treasury report is nonsense.......and then responds with nonsense claims of his own!
Frankly, we all deserve better (whichever side of the debate we happen to be on). The true cost can be found here....
The UK's EU membership fees
You are totally correct in pointing this out. Ive posted that link to FullFact many times.
I believe it's probably the best independent website for finding facts about the EU.
I don't understand why Brexiters continue to state £350 million because it's inaccurate and gives the Bremainers a come back.
originally posted by: Flavian
And again, all the Leave camp are claiming the treasury report is false.........and yet the economic experts say it potentially doesn't go far enough.
Again, economics isn't the only argument here, there are other issues that many feel are just as important. But to dismiss the warnings from the experts because they don't fit the narrative is beyond belief - it is illogical and actually pretty reprehensible
For balance though, i will state again that what we need is simple honesty from all parties. I get the feeling though that this will just be wishful thinking........
I have requested a response to your reply from them.
originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
They are incorrect in their response.
The UK doesn’t pay or "send to Brussels" this higher figure of £350m per week (£18 billion yearly).
The rebate is applied straight away, so the UK never contributes this much.
They would be correct if they said £250m per week (£13 billion yearly).
originally posted by: 83Liberty
They are incorrect in their response.
The UK doesn’t pay or "send to Brussels" this higher figure of £350m per week (£18 billion yearly).
The rebate is applied straight away, so the UK never contributes this much.
They would be correct if they said £250m per week (£13 billion yearly).
originally posted by: 83Liberty
I watched the Agenda last night as well.
Osbourne was a disgrace. He literally said that each household would lose this £4,300 per year out of their pay packets.
Which is a fear-mongering LIE and NO ONE pulled him up on it.
Even the Brexit lady on the right hand side of Osbourne said the figure was more like £1000 per year, which probably made Osbourne's fear-story more believable for some people.
originally posted by: eletheia
I've no doubt this will be cleared up soon. However when ever figures come up in every walk of life there is 'wiggle room' like rebate ( which by its very name means a refund) so why take it off pre payment which would actually equate to a discount?
However no one has brought up the recent (just before Christmas) demand for an additional payment because the UK economy was doing much better than any other member.
Remember David Cameron saying no way were they going to get an extra payment!
However they were paid two instalments? (I think) and then it was never mentioned again. Made Cameron look like a spineless twit.
originally posted by: eletheia
I've no doubt this will be cleared up soon. However when ever figures come up in every walk of life there is 'wiggle room' like rebate ( which by its very name means a refund) so why take it off pre payment which would actually equate to a discount?
*that Europe cannot become a new home for millions of people
in need throughout the world. National policies of the lone- knight variety
must be left in the past. For the most part they have a belief which is
different from the Judeo/Christian beliefs which form part of
the foundations of our social order, and our values. The solution lies in
the affected regions...not Europe.*
Don't you think she is too kind to the extent that it adversely affects fellow German's quality of life? Not to mention the added threat to German life's from refugees or immigrants with malicious intent!
originally posted by: eletheia
The first few pebbles toward an avalanche in the EU?? I've just the following.>>>>
The former German chancellor Helmut Kohl has warned his protégé, the
woman he chose as his successor Angela Merkel -
*that Europe cannot become a new home for millions of people
in need throughout the world. National policies of the lone- knight variety
must be left in the past. For the most part they have a belief which is
different from the Judeo/Christian beliefs which form part of
the foundations of our social order, and our values. The solution lies in
the affected regions...not Europe.*
The political giant did not name M/s Merkel - but left no one in any doubt that
his criticisms were aimed at her. Mr Kohl who is now rarely seen in public, is
said to be estranged from the woman he propelled to the heights of power.
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I have requested a response to your reply from them.
originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
They are incorrect in their response.
The UK doesn’t pay or "send to Brussels" this higher figure of £350m per week (£18 billion yearly).
The rebate is applied straight away, so the UK never contributes this much.
They would be correct if they said £250m per week (£13 billion yearly).
Not just about correct forecasts but about whether it is possible to forecast so far ahead. Even the best guestimates there would be a huge margin of error. Its ridiculous to attempt to forecast years ahead when you are dealing with economics because the variables are so flux.
originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
When it comes to Osborne and the economy in the same sentence, then you can safely assure that the forecasts are miles off.
When has any of his economic forecasts ever been correct?
The bloke is a complete numpty who lucked out with the price of oil driving down inflation. It certainly hasn't been down to any of his budgetary decisions.
it's certainly Project Fear being played out.
Both Cameron and Osborne stated they were willing to lead the U.K out of the E.U unless they could secure fundamental changes to the E.U. As we have seen, their changes have little effect on the U.K membership and they would never have campaigned for the U.K to leave.
Yes interesting read, but there is nothing there that suggests a leave voter should consider a change of mind.
originally posted by: Freeborn
As many may know I'm no fan of the EU.
But I'm still open to other points of view.
Don't know if this has been posted before but I came across it on the BBC News website.
It's interesting as I've been completely unaware of any EU investment in the UK.
Travelling anywhere within the EU it's pretty much common place to see the EU sign saying 'funded by the EU' but I can honestly say I've only very, very rarely seen it here.
But apparently
Over the last 15 years, Cornwall has received more than £1bn of EU structural investment.
www.bbc.co.uk...
Between 2000 and 2014, £888m was invested in Cornwall from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) and the European Social Fund (ESF). The money has financed infrastructure projects, airports, universities, road widening schemes, superfast broadband and local businesses.
Another £486m has been earmarked between 2014 and 2020.
I'm aware that the BBC may be pushing the governments pro-EU agenda but it is a good read and whilst alone it's certainly not enough for me to change my mind but it certainly is something that's worth bearing in mind.