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Nuclear Expert in Japan: Plutonium “is everywhere… it is everywhere”

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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 09:20 PM
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The graphic below is sourced from:

Ground Zero: Japan Speaking Tour No. 2



To sum up what the above could mean:

Higher Levels of Fukushima Cesium Detected Offshore

The following map is from the article above. The yellow dots below represent places where cesium-134 was detected.



According to the expert's opinion in the article linked to at the top of this post, "Wherever there's radiation cesium, there's going to be plutonium." In case you don't agree with that expert's opinion, please read this:



Sorry for the brevity of the above but the report that the information came from seems to be offline at the moment. Also, I'm not linking to ENENews anymore as a source so that's the best I've got. I agree with ENENews' critics now, the site is not impartial and its sometimes deceptive. The information above is a fact and it's documented in many places on the Internet.

If anyone wants to claim that Fukushima Daiichi will be fixed anytime soon:

No promises in Fukushima cleanup, director says
edit on 19-2-2016 by Profusion because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

Yes, and a lot of people were warning of the risks of plutonium since 2011 from Fukushima. Yikes.


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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: OneGoal

And all the people were told "Don't worry about it! The Pacific Ocean is too vast to cause radiation issues. Not going to reach West Coast waters."


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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: OneGoal

And all the people were told "Don't worry about it! The Pacific Ocean is too vast to cause radiation issues. Not going to reach West Coast waters."


Only a complete moron would believe that.

Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl. No one will admit it, but it is.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: Lurker1

No one on the West Coast drinks tap water or dips a toe in the Ocean. Only vacationing wannabe surfers do.

We all have O2 machines for respiratory cleansing.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: Lurker1

No one on the West Coast drinks tap water or dips a toe in the Ocean. Only vacationing wannabe surfers do.

We all have O2 machines for respiratory cleansing.




Are you speaking from local knowledge or are there some reports of this happening ?



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I live and breathe the West Coast air. What has washed up on our shores is hard to ignore.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Lurker1

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: OneGoal

And all the people were told "Don't worry about it! The Pacific Ocean is too vast to cause radiation issues. Not going to reach West Coast waters."


Only a complete moron would believe that.

Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl. No one will admit it, but it is.


I agree with you..

but there are a ton of morons out there that swallowed that line.. a very large percentage.. because that what the "experts" and reporters told them.. so that was the end of their worry...

And now they wonder why everyone who's was weak is dying... it "tipped" the scale over.
They still swim in it, eat it, breathe it. This plus other events have saturated the pool.. but they want folks to look at just one thing and proclaim it's safe... not all things.. Fuku, as i said.. tipped that "tolerable levels" balance right over.

they want you to not notice we are all sick, life's hard.. for a reason.. so you don't have the time to care about the boiling pot we live in... wheels must grind.. whip whip..

It's.. beyond criminal.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: NewzNose

That's got to suck....Are there any signs at all that the authorities are concerned ?

That meltdown released an enormous amount of radiation, i do not believe we are being given the correct numbers from those in the know.....



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:22 PM
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Wow you just really don't grasp any of this, still after posting all these articles for how long now?

Reality check, the picture you posted showing the cesium tells the truth, that the levels are so incredibly low that it's not detected in most locations. What is detected, if you actually know what you're looking at, shows that it's very minute.

I'd suggest anyone who gets scared sucking up the paranoid fear-mongering snippets in the OP educate their selves on the matter, but honestly at this point you've either done so long ago, don't care, or just don't have the basic scientific knowledge to properly weigh the matter in.


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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: pl3bscheese

When our world is dead in 50 years because of Fukushima be sure to come back here & we'll say we told you so.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: Esoterotica

Your world will be dead in 50 years, because so will you.

Don't project, own it.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: Lurker1

No one on the West Coast drinks tap water or dips a toe in the Ocean. Only vacationing wannabe surfers do.

We all have O2 machines for respiratory cleansing.


Majority of my family resides in California. They've never mentioned anything about the water or changing their lifestyles. Even from the Midwest it's something I constantly think about, especially when I buy produce and other products shipped or processed from the West, or seafood.

Being from there myself it hurts me to think I'll never enjoy those sweet Cali ocean waves again.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:34 PM
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Doom porn

A third of the living creatures in the sea will die, Revelations

Who would have guessed



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: pl3bscheese



Reality check, the picture you posted showing the cesium tells the truth, that the levels are so incredibly low that it's not detected in most locations. What is detected, if you actually know what you're looking at, shows that it's very minute.


Happy to see some rationality here among all the drama queens.

A couples Bq/m^3 of Pu is small compared to natural background radiation calculated in "events" or "cpm / 60" inside a volume of 1 m^3 (like if a geiger tube had a volume of 1 m^3).



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: pl3bscheese

Can we agree that plutonium in any quantity if consumed by a human is bad? I think thats the concern.

I think people just want a solution to this real issue. We can argue about the comparative background radiation, but i think the thought of "not doing much" to stop the issue at hand is ehat bothers people. Its clearly an issue, why not address it?

I guess a good question to ask us is how many nuclear plants melting down would it take to raise realistic concern? Youd think its be none, right?
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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
Wow you just really don't grasp any of this, still after posting all these articles for how long now?

Reality check, the picture you posted showing the cesium tells the truth, that the levels are so incredibly low that it's not detected in most locations. What is detected, if you actually know what you're looking at, shows that it's very minute.

I'd suggest anyone who gets scared sucking up the paranoid fear-mongering snippets in the OP educate their selves on the matter, but honestly at this point you've either done so long ago, don't care, or just don't have the basic scientific knowledge to properly weigh the matter in.


1. This is primarily a thread about Japan and it's in the Japan forum and you're only addressing the part about North America. That tells me all I need to know about your values.

2. This is a thread about plutonium. What you wrote above doesn't address plutonium at all.

3. Which quotes from the original posts are "paranoid fear-mongering snippets"? Can you prove that even one is?

4. It's true that the levels of cesium that were found in the study we're discussing were minute. However, now we have the word of an expert that, "Wherever there's radiation cesium, there's going to be plutonium." Can you prove that minute amounts of plutonium are not lethal?


originally posted by: Raggedyman
Doom porn

A third of the living creatures in the sea will die, Revelations

Who would have guessed


Are you being sarcastic? Reporting the results of scientific studies is never "doom porn."


originally posted by: OneGoal
a reply to: pl3bscheese

Can we agree that plutonium in any quantity if consumed by a human is bad? I think thats the concern.


That's the topic of this thread essentially. How anyone could miss that is beyond me.
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posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 12:34 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

No I Was quoting revelations
I don't think scientists are saying a third of the worlds sea life is dead or will die are they?

The book of,Revelation in the bible does
But
Just a coincidence I suspect



posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 01:02 AM
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Mainly nonsense, i'm not saying that we should "appreciate" what's going on but the Plutonium that's been released has been released and extremely small amounts of Plutonium won't insta kill in anyway, in fact studies on exposure showed zero cancer rate increase even in lung cancer in much larger amounts than what you will ever find in the Pacific.

Fukushima might drop the life expectancy by maybe a year or so on the West Coast avg.

1: the thing you should be looking at is Biological half life not half life

2: small amounts of radioactive material is not like constant radiation exposure of voluminous, in other words a few particles of plutonium wouldn't cause cancer until long after your immune system starts to break down, an issue when your old not a "life on Earth" issue, it's been a very short time since out life expectancy was 27, truth is medicine will readily out pace any loss in the grand scheme of things

It's just another cancer causing pollution which by itself for most people at a distance will have no effect

The real issues are chemical, Thousands of chemicals, massive numbers of cancer causing particulates.. already out there, in large amounts and no one is slowing it down but rather accelerating

Your fridge will cause your cancer at 10,000 x the likelihood Fukushima will



posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: criticalhit
Agreed . It is the concentration that counts.This is a problem for Japan just as the original post.It is not a problem for the US. No , it is not "moronic" to say this. It is science. The ocean currents would spread this out to an extent it would be no more concentrated than what is already there.



Your fridge will cause your cancer at 10,000 x the likelihood Fukushima will

Dont know about that one though....



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