Here we Go Again; Idaho Senate panel Want The Bible In Science Class

An Idaho Senate panel just approved a bill to let
public teachers use the Bible to teach biology and geology

Idaho Republicans are pushing a bill that would allow teachers to cite the Bible as a reference book in science classes.

The Senate Education Committee has given preliminary approval to a measure introduced by state Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll (R-Cottonwood) that would permit teachers to use the religious document “for reference purposes” in classes such as astronomy, biology and geology.

A Democratic senator questioned why the bill was necessary, because teachers are already permitted to highlight biblical allusions in history and literature, but Nuxoll said a statute was needed to highlight the Bible’s importance.

“It’s to clarify and make sure teachers know their rights,” Nuxoll said. “A lot of teachers are scared to use the Bible.”

Nuxoll’s measure resembles one adopted last year by the state’s Republican Party, which argued that the Bible should be another “tool in their tool box.”

State Sen. Janie Ward-Engelking (D-Boise) reminded Nuxoll that her measure might allow other religious texts to be used in schools, but the GOP lawmaker insisted the Bible was “embedded” in American culture.
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These guys just won't quit !, they are the ones making the case that science and facts are liberal bias, they squeal like stucked pigs about agendas and the left taking over the school system, when all of that is just projecting on their part.

The lawmaker is perhaps best known for comparing the Affordable Care Act to the Holocaust in 2013.

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Ferchrisakes

a reply to: Spider879

Why would they want to teach fiction to students?

a reply to: Spider879

The Senate Education Committee has given preliminary approval to a measure introduced by state Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll (R-Cottonwood) that would permit teachers to use the religious document “for reference purposes” in classes such as astronomy, biology and geology.

It is ridiculous, since the Bible has nothing to do with any of those fields. The only reason they would want to use the Bible in those fields would be to make up things like Gods in the stars, souls in the body, and devils underground, and to reference a book in doing so. It's nonsense.

a reply to: Spider879

...........that would permit teachers to use the religious document “for reference purposes” in classes such as astronomy, biology and geology.

LOL

Astronomy? God made the Earth before he made the Sun.

Biology? Eve was made from Adam's rib.

Geology? Every animal on earth walked, flew or swam to their respective continents after Noah's Flood.

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: Spider879

Why would they want to teach fiction to students?

Less critical thinking, more easily controlled.

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: Spider879

Why would they want to teach fiction to students?

Because some are nutty like that?? and for others it's a system of control, the less knowledgeable the populous the easier it is to exert control, much like the high priest of yesteryear when knowledge was forbidden to the common man.

a reply to: Spider879
It might help if we actually look at the piece in question...:

The Bible is expressly permitted to be used in Idaho public schools for reference purposes to further the study of literature, comparative religion, English and foreign languages, United States and world history, comparative government, law, philosophy, ethics, astronomy, biology, geology, world geography, archaeology, music, sociology, and other topics of study where an understanding of the Bible may be useful or relevant. No student will be required to use any religious texts for reference purposes if the student or parents of the student object.

Oh, horrible and inapplicable indeed...saying the bible CAN be used where it might be useful, and doesn't have to be if anyone objects to it. Sheer madness!

How abouts we actually deal with meat and potatoes and not clickbait/inciteful titles now?

The Bible is closer to the essential nature of things than global warming and the gov is your daddy.

Perhaps it is easier fro some people to grow past the Bible, which connects each person individually to the cosmos, than to grow past the cradle to grave nanny state.

You have to see through them both, yourself, eventually. Or else life is stupid and slavish.

A reference book in science class ?

Out of this world...

While we're at it..why not add Mad magazine as a reference book to gym class ?

Thats why i hate PC...you have to smile and put up with lunatics...and pretend that diversity is good

a reply to: Praetorius

How abouts we actuall deal with meat and potatoes and not clickbait/inciteful titles now?

Exactly! So why are these lawmakers tying up their time, trying to add a law where there is already a law that allows the Bible to be used as a reference book in public school? Why does the Bible need another special law to protect it's use?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Praetorius

How abouts we actuall deal with meat and potatoes and not clickbait/inciteful titles now?

Exactly! So why are these lawmakers tying up their time, trying to add a law where there is already a law that allows the Bible to be used as a reference book in public school? Why does the Bible need another special law to protect it's use?

Likely because its use was already protected, and in less useful or restricted terms as covered in the hereby-proposed repeal of:

33-1604. Bible reading in public schools. Selections from the Bible, to be chosen from a list prepared from time to time by the state board of education, shall be read daily to each occupied classroom in each school district. Such reading shall be without comment or interpretation. Any question by any pupil shall be referred for answer to the pupil's parent or guardian.

Seems like a reasonable step to me.

Edit to add:
And to answer your question directly and as evidenced by Congress, etc. - the purpose of a legislator is to legislate. Does that generally bear good fruit? I think the weight of history proves not. But, that's the argument we get from people asking why they pass so many useless and outright hurtful bills. Sometimes I sincerely wish they'd instead get paid for nothing if most of their borne fruit is distasteful. I consider this a good update, however.

originally posted by: Praetorius
a reply to: Spider879
It might help if we actually look at the piece in question...:

The Bible is expressly permitted to be used in Idaho public schools for reference purposes to further the study of literature, comparative religion, English and foreign languages, United States and world history, comparative government, law, philosophy, ethics, astronomy, biology, geology, world geography, archaeology, music, sociology, and other topics of study where an understanding of the Bible may be useful or relevant. No student will be required to use any religious texts for reference purposes if the student or parents of the student object.

Oh, horrible and inapplicable indeed...saying the bible CAN be used where it might be useful, and doesn't have to be if anyone objects to it. Sheer madness!

How abouts we actually deal with meat and potatoes and not clickbait/inciteful titles now?

And while we are at it can we then use the The Bhagavad Gita, the Holy Koran and the Egyptian Book of the Dead?? how about the Popol Vuh, can we get an Amen--Ra??

a reply to: Praetorius

Without comment and interpretation.

LOL

Just as well...

I actually have no problem with this, as long as none of them scream foul when someone uses the Qu'ran for a similar purpose, or any other religious text other than the bible.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Praetorius
a reply to: Spider879
It might help if we actually look at the piece in question...:

The Bible is expressly permitted to be used in Idaho public schools for reference purposes to further the study of literature, comparative religion, English and foreign languages, United States and world history, comparative government, law, philosophy, ethics, astronomy, biology, geology, world geography, archaeology, music, sociology, and other topics of study where an understanding of the Bible may be useful or relevant. No student will be required to use any religious texts for reference purposes if the student or parents of the student object.

Oh, horrible and inapplicable indeed...saying the bible CAN be used where it might be useful, and doesn't have to be if anyone objects to it. Sheer madness!

How abouts we actually deal with meat and potatoes and not clickbait/inciteful titles now?

And while we are at it can we then use the The Bhagavad Gita, the Holy Koran and the Egyptian Book of the Dead?? how about the Popol Vuh, can we get an Amen--Ra??

Absolutely works for me. Did they have any laws previously on the books allowing readings from those texts with less qualification or restrictions, though? They did re: the bible as per the actual item in question here.

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Spider879

The Senate Education Committee has given preliminary approval to a measure introduced by state Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll (R-Cottonwood) that would permit teachers to use the religious document “for reference purposes” in classes such as astronomy, biology and geology.

It is ridiculous, since the Bible has nothing to do with any of those fields.

Exactly, there is nothing in those scientific fields that draws from that book, aside from the faith of any ground-breaking early scholars & scientists. And even in that case, the religion matters not next to their accomplishments.

There is only one context I see any religion being welcome in in public schooling -- to give rule of law or social behaviors of past civilizations & governments proper context. That's it. It's school, not a damned sermon session.

a reply to: Praetorius

Seems like a reasonable step to me.

You want teachers to comment on biblical scripture and interpret the Bible for your children, in public school? Are you sure about that?

originally posted by: Slanter
I actually have no problem with this, as long as none of them scream foul when someone uses the Qu'ran for a similar purpose, or any other religious text other than the bible.

I do have a problem with the flat earth Koran in my science lab, unless it is to tell the class that what is written inside about science is proper B s and belonged in literature class.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Praetorius

Seems like a reasonable step to me.

You want teachers to comment on biblical scripture and interpret the Bible for your children, in public school? Are you sure about that?

If the limitations set forth here are actually held to, it definitely beats what it's repealing. I think ANY document, religious or otherwise, that might be relavent to the topics presented in some way, should be a possible resource.

It explicitly states that anyone who objects does not have to use it, and imposes restrictions to the current allowance of just having the bible read at them willy-nilly. Bring on the alternate texts by all means as long as reasonable limitations are in place, and absolutely step in the right direction from just "we can read the bible to you when we see fit".

Government schools.

Secular government.

No religion.

Simple.