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Russia prepared to use Tactical Nuclear Weapons if Turkey-Saudi invade

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posted on Feb, 18 2016 @ 11:00 PM
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a reply to: maddy21

It is important to remember that just as NATO has a pact of mutual defence Syria is a long term Russian Ally from the soviet period and is also the long serving home to the soviet era Russian mediteranean naval fleet base.
The Attack on Syria and the threat to invade it is from the Russian point of view much the same as NATO's view would be if Russia invaded Turkey, it is simply that the shoe is on the other foot.

Recently Russia has been growing more militant with only the other day RAF tornados having to see off russian bombers flying into British air space so this is not just posturing Russia is saying to the world that they are Back and to be careful not to push them any longer and let's be fair that is exactly what the west has been doing, Pushing them with NATO and US bases popping up all around russia in a grand encirclement even on former Soviet Block territory's which has angered and even frightened the russian's.

Don't ever underestimate what an Angry and frightened Bear backed into a corner might do and despite the fact I hate to say this Russia does have enough nuclear fire power to decimate the entire west even if we shot down 9 in 10 of there ICBM's and Tactical Nuke's and while they would lose there city's in return they have Yemantu which makes the DUMB's of America look like underground villages.

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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: maddy21

More anti-Russia bulsh1t...



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 02:46 AM
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Russia is described by them selves and by NATO as being a artilery force, and specialists at it.

It is unlikly that Russia would use tacktical nukes initially. I think it would depend on the scale and what targets that are attacked.

If Turkey hit the Russian fleet and airbase in and arround Syria. We will without doubt see some very Heavy and hard action being taken against Turkish airbases. Russia would without doubt have some tacktical solutions ready for these senarios. This would be seen as a Direct attack on Russia. A tackical nuck would not be out of the question. Because it would be a one blow stopper. There is no way NATO would respond With the same coin. NATO would have a Meeting in Brussels without doubt. But a nuklear respons no way. If Turkey attack...the attack is on them. Not NATO.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 03:04 AM
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originally posted by: maddy21
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Putin actually upped the ant after the Su-24 shoot down. The bombings increased, more Air superiority fighters are in the air and not to mention, Turkey will no longer be considered as the stabilizing factor in the region with Turks sending Jihadis across the border while sabotaging any efforts for peace and dialog. This happened at a time when Putin and Obama had actually come to a conclusion that Assad Regime must go, only the conditions for the change were different.


Turkey is supplying fire base support with their heavy artillery to just about anyone fighting Assad and the Kurd's including ISIS . That would be cause enough IMO to return fire big time on their heads.
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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 03:43 AM
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I think everyone should also remember that the parties are currently negotiating a ceasefire in Syria. So a lot of the rhetoric & maneuvering right now is also meant for domestic consumption for their own citizens (as well as to remind opponents & their citizens of the options available to each side).

There's also the tactic of intentionally releasing/"leaking" inside information from the negotiations to the public like this. That way, interested parties that don't have access to the talks can get a good idea of specific points being discussed.

And of course, there are lies & rumors spread by people not in the talks. Sometimes people will do this in order to profit off of a temporary market shift caused by "shocking" news events. Nathan Rothschild exploited London's stock markets to an extreme level because of Napoleon's "victory" at Waterloo (I know Napoleon lost, but Nathan profited big time by getting the other brokers to initially think Napoleon had won). In other words, in this instance, we/you should've checked the jumps or declines in specific commodities, stocks, etc right after this info was "released".



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 04:19 AM
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a reply to: maddy21

An interesting statement by Russia.

Exactly how many troops does Russia have in Syria and are they embedded with Syrian forces? I ask because Russia said no ground troops (except spec ops and support staff).

Secondly with Assads comments about the cease fire and him stating e will reclaim the entire country torqued the Russians off the the extent Churkin (Russian ambassador to the UN) made comments that russia does not support / accept that position.
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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: maddy21

An interesting statement by Russia.

Exactly how many troops does Russia have in Syria and are they embedded with Syrian forces? I ask because Russia said no ground troops (except spec ops and support staff).

Secondly with Assads comments about the cease fire and him stating e will reclaim the entire country torqued the Russians off the the extent Churkin (Russian ambassador to the UN) made comments that russia does not support / accept that position.


I know for sure that Russia have a medium number of Marines and navy Counter terrorist units stationed in Syria towards the east(Turkey). A small number of the Counter terrorist unite is in Iraq between Mosul and the Syrian boarder(Qubq) about 30..they are flying drones towards Nineveh. Because we have spotet their drones With Our drones and Iraqi forces have been in communication With them.

Russia have unidentified military unit oberving Damascus....these could also be marines. They also have a mobile unite observing the boarder of Jordan. Both of these are using drones.

Russia just started a 24 hour alert wing of Su 27s in pairs of 4. flying colose to Jordan. This is probably do to the Northern Thunder drill Saudi Arabia are doing. It would seam that Russia have more fighter jets in Syria then the media have been calling.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
Not going to happen. Not even the smallest chance. If Russia itself were being invaded and in complete retreat with no chance of a conventional turn of the tide then maybe. Not only would Russia face massive international condemnation and global sanctions it would likely end up at war with not only the West but almost every Muslim state on Earth and face massive uprisings of its own. Russia has enough problems and frankly it is not that stupid.


Right.

The Russians certainly would have learned that lesson by watching how the US was shunned and in ruins for decades after using nuclear weapons on Japan.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: Urantia1111

That was back when no one else had nukes so things have changed. However, I still think this story is bull#.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: maddy21

It's very odd that a "Russia can do no wrong" attitude has swept this forum.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: maddy21

While I believe this story to be sensationalized If the Turks and Saudi's invade Syria the Russians would be at a huge tactical disadvantage. Could easily cut off supply lines and control the air( or at least make it very difficult) What a scary time and all of its focused on a little country



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: maddy21

This whole thread is based on a claim that Robert Parry made: someone close to Putin told him... Do we have any reason to believe him?



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: TheBulk
It's more like the mood that Russia isn't that stupid..



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: maddy21
a reply to: Tiamat384


Turks and Saudi's have to act now otherwise they have already lost Syria. Syrians backed by Russia has started a massive offensive to get the ancient city of Aleppo. With Aleppo lost, Rebels will face a huge defeat and will be a huge demoralizing factor.


Then they are idiots. Syria is not theirs to loose. It belongs to Syrians.

I do have to worry about "friendly" countries who are in wholehearted support of the enemy - as much as I wonder about my own government supporting that same enemy, and against it's own citizens.

I've said it before, and I guess I have to say it again - who had the brain-fart and let Turkey into NATO anyhow? Did no one show them a map to point out just where the North Atlantic is in relation to Turkey?

The U.S. really ought to pull out of NATO anyhow. It's passed it's sell-by date. It's usefulness ended when the Warsaw Pact, which it was formed to oppose, dissolved.




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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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I seem to remember Putin saying over and over that there
was no military solution to Syria...

Although that was when the Americans were contemplating an invasion!

Certainly changed his opinion.. In Crimea.. Ukraine... Syria... and threatening other other neighbouring states.
Why are you all scared of Russia.. they die too and our weapons and numbers are vastly superior to theirs on both counts!

Although in Turkeys case ... they need to be kicked out of NATO... they are NOT suitable to the Alliance.

Again Putin...Liar muchly...
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posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: TheBulk
a reply to: maddy21

It's very odd that a "Russia can do no wrong" attitude has swept this forum.


What I find odd is that Russia is the country trying to pull our fat out of the fire while our own governments and our alleged "allies" are desperately trying to turn up the heat.

I never thought I'd live long enough to see the world turn this upside down, with the folks I spent my wild and misspent youth fighting tooth and nail against being the ONLY folks trying to haul my fat out of the fire.

Here's an idea: how 'bout our own government getting their eye back on the goddamned ball in ISIS, and leaving Assad and his opponents to sort their own mess out in-house? Let 'em clean up their own house as they see fit - we have a garbage heap to burn.



posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 03:34 AM
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The US has its eye on the ball, its just that it is the russians who have the ball right now. Pentagon and the US intelligense servises miscalkulated Russias move and speed when it came to Assads request. Pentagon never thought that Russia could Project Power this fast in the ME.

I dont think that Ashton Carter saw this commin either. Ash is showing that he and his staff are having problems coping With the Russian sudden and unexspected move. The US have never been in a situation like this since the late 70s. The US have always been calling the shots.

What Russia did in Georgia should have been a Wake up Call for the US. But the US dident see or understand what Russia did. All the US were talking about were the old Russian harware being used and how poorly the Russian handled the situation. But what no one actually saw was that the US couldnt do a damn thing about Georgia. The Russian move stopped the US from stepping in.

Russia knows that if they are first in. The US have to sit and watch on the sideline. Unless the US want to go to war With Russia.

THe same senario is also taking Place in Syria. The US cant go in.





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posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft
I to have read this, as well as one website that uses numerology and other things to make predictions, it says that this year will see the destruction (likely nuclear) of both Damascus and Prague as the beginning of WW3, and the possible Battle of Megiddo.
Here's a link to the website www.newprophecy.net...
There are many interesting things slated to happen this year and most of them not good.



posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 06:22 AM
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a reply to: rexsblues




Am I the only one who would be disappointed if the world didn't end in total nuclear destruction?



Yes.



posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: spy66

It's possible, I suppose, but if the U.S. still has their eye on the ball, why are they even noticing Assad at all, much less hell bent on getting him out of office, and why does ISIS still have oil wells to enrich their war chest?

The focus of the U.S. government seems to be pretty unfocused. The last time that happened, it gave us an unnecessary war in Iraq, at the expense of the necessary war in Afghanistan.

They took their eye off the ball back then, too, and we get what we got for it.



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