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originally posted by: KEACHI
a reply to: windword
For starters, this article references about 3 dozen scriptures which you claim do not exist.
There are more than a dozen of these exaltation / salvation passages in addition from the above taken from the prophets and psalms, but this gives a general idea of the midrashic proof-texting citation-process at work....
Allegory vs Metaphor
Allegory and metaphor are figures of speeches often seen in literature and art. Metaphor is a phrasal expression, which is used to make a comparison of unrelated objects and actions. Allegory can be said to be an extended metaphor. Allegory is a comparison on a deeper note.
When compared to metaphor, allegory can be longer passages of comparison. An allegory, which is a substitute for another object or action, includes more fine points than a metaphor.
While metaphors are generally seen in literature, allegories are seen in literature, sculptures, painting and a lot more, which means that allegory has a wider presentation than metaphor.
I would like to ask you something though....you readily admitted in your response to my post....that there was no question that Israel practiced animal sacrifice. Where do you believe this practice came from and why ?
And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your own will.
6 It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
7 And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
Do you think that they mistakenly took Moses words literally when it was all meant to be allegory ?
How could the nation of Israel even exist...if the story of Abraham isnt true ?
2 Chronicles 32:26 Notwithstanding Hezekiah humbled himself for the pride of his heart, both he and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the wrath of the LORD came not upon them in the days of Hezekiah.
What does the Suffering Servant have to do with Abraham Lincoln?
Nothing, but all this talk of shoehorning known events into vague prophecies made me wonder… would it be possible to take another iconic individual and match him up to the Suffering Servant?
Abraham Lincoln was the first person to come to mind, so let’s gave it a try…
He acted wisely and was highly exalted (52:1)
He was disfigured –Lincoln was taller than most men, and shot in the head (52:2)
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him — he wasn’t very attractive and came from a poor family (53:2)
He was despised and rejected — by the South and slave owners (53:3)
He was familiar with suffering — he suffered from chronic depression, lost two young children, and constantly anguished over the Civil War (53:3)
He was pierced — shot in the head! (53:5)
And died for our transgressions — he died because of our immoral desire to enslave others (53:5)
The punishment that brought us peace was upon him — he kept the union together while bringing freedom to the slaves (53:5)
Lincoln did not open his mouth when he was slaughtered (53:7)
He was cut off from the land of the living (53:8)
He was assigned a grave with the wicked — he was murdered by an assassin (53:9)
And with the rich in his death — via costly and elaborate monuments (53:9)
It was the Lord’s will for Lincoln to suffer for the freedom of others — can you prove it wasn’t? (53:10)
Lincoln had literal offspring (53:10)
God prolonged his days — He died at 56, when life expectancy was less than 40 (53:10)
Lincoln’s knowledge justified many (53:11)
And he was given a portion among the great — he is remembered as one of our greatest Presidents (53:12)
He made intercession for the transgressors — the South (53:12)
And he poured out his life — in service to his cause — unto death (53:12)
And just for good measure, Lincoln was also seen by several credible eye-witnesses after his death!
If we can find 19 similarities between the Suffering Servant and Abraham Lincoln, is it really so hard to imagine that early Christians couldn’t do the same with Jesus?
The Christians inside my head are now yelling: “But wait! Lincoln never fulfilled all the messianic prophecies!” True, but neither did Jesus! Perhaps these unfulfilled prophecies are still on Lincoln’s to-do list for when he returns… perhaps his return is right around the corner… we’ll just have to wait and see. (Or not.)
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Logarock
Anyway Jesus Himself said that He was a sign, a type of Jonah. Why don't you look that up. Its pretty strong stuff maybe to strong for you.
The New Testament doesn't prove the New Testament. In other words, The words penned by the authors of the gospels, having the biblical Jesus claiming that he's the Messiah, or the sign of Jonah, doesn't mean anything if it doesn't fit with Jewish messianic tradition and/or fulfill prophecies.