NEWS: Supreme Court Sidesteps Gay Adoption Case, page 1

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 09:24 AM

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The U.S. Supreme Court for the second time in two years has sidestepped making a ruling regarding gay rights. It rejected an appeal without comment that had been brought by four Florida men challenging their states ban on adoption by gay couples. Florida is currently the only state with a outright ban on gay adoption.

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WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court rejected an appeal Monday by four men who challenged Florida's ban on adoption by gay couples, avoiding another contentious fight over gay rights.

Florida is the only state with a blanket law prohibiting homosexuals from adopting children, but the high court was told that other states could now feel free to copy the ban.

Opponents argued that the 1977 law, passed at the height of Anita Bryant's anti-homosexual campaign, was irrational because it excluded potential parents for thousands of abandoned children.

Supporters contend the state has the power to promote traditional father-mother families.

The high court's refusal to hear the case, made without comment, avoids a second showdown over gay rights there in two years. Justices, in a historic civil rights ruling, barred states in 2003 from criminalizing gay sex. The court said then that states "cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime."

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The Supreme Court seems to be making a habit out of sidestepping major issues. This comes on the heels of their decision to reject the case of the use of under god in the pledge. In that case they used technical issues to dismiss the case. It is interesting that Florida is the only state that has an outright ban. Its not the first state I would have picked.

Asteroid

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 09:37 PM

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Ive got nothing at all to say on the subject.

JoeDoaks

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 09:51 PM

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Asteroid sorry to see you got dinged for similar statements.

On the thread-

Florida has 'seen the future' and the USSC is a bunch of cowards for not hammering the issue once and for all.

Gay adoption is a contradiction in terms as far as I am concerned.

parrhesia

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by JoeDoaks

Gay adoption is a contradiction in terms as far as I am concerned.

What about all the closet homosexual mothers and fathers out there, then?
Should they have their children be taken from them? Or is the issue that the adoptive parents are not actually bearing the children, thus should be restricted from being parents at all?
If gays cannot adopt, why stop there. Don't let them have kids via artificial insemination, or other means, either!

FredT

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 11:44 PM

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Joe, you have expressed this in several forum, but sadly the evidence does not bear you out. More to the point that Florida out of the 50 states has persisited with this law.

No evidence exists that proves that same sex parents are anymore or anyless fit than any other parents. By you definiton single parents should fall into that category.

Th0r

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 11:49 PM

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Two gay parents is a burden no child should have to endure especially if the parents are male.

Jehosephat

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 11:53 PM

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Does the adoption include family couseling, so the kid can grow up knowing what it is like to be straight (if he so chooses)

parrhesia

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Th0r
Two gay parents is a burden no child should have to endure especially if the parents are male.

How's it a burden to have two loving parents, regardless of their sex?
Taunting in school? Maybe, but kids are pretty cruel anyway. If it's not one thing, it's another.

parrhesia

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by Jehosephat
Does the adoption include family couseling, so the kid can grow up knowing what it is like to be straight (if he so chooses)

Are you assuming the child will be raised gay because they have gay parents?

Disregarding whether one is born gay/straight or not...
Look around you. Most people aren't gay and just because a child may be raised ina gay household doesn't mean they'll have no experience with heterosexual relations.

It's generally assumed that most people are heterosexual (except if you're PC obsessed, then you'll be asked if you have a "partner", but I won't go into that.). Most mainstream culture, movies, stories, etc., are based around heterosexuality. They won't be lacking exposure in that regard.

FredT

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by Th0r
Two gay parents is a burden no child should have to endure especially if the parents are male.

What burden? A loving set of parents? A home where he feels safe? Three hots and a cot? A chance to sucseed in life? Support? Yeah what a burden. :shk: There simply is no evidence to back up these claims that some of you are making.

Th0r

posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 11:59 PM

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Imagine the child having friends round to your house if he/she even had any friends, school is can be an extrmely cruel place. How do you think the child would you feel seeing them sleep together especailly when the child is in early teens.

FredT

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:02 AM

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The American Academy of Pediatrics which represent pediatric MD's is fully supportive of the issue.

For Release: February 4, 2002, 12:01 am (ET)
(Headline updated February 7, 2002)

CHICAGO - The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says children who are born to, or adopted by, one member of a gay or lesbian couple deserve the security of two legally recognized parents. Therefore, a new AAP policy statement, "Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents" supports legal and legislative efforts that provide for the possibility of adoption of those children by the second parent or coparent in same-sex relationships.

The statement says there is a considerable body of professional literature that suggests children with parents who are homosexual have the same advantages and the same expectations for health, adjustment and development as children whose parents are heterosexual.

Coparent or second-parent adoption protects a child's right to maintain continuing relationships with both parents in a same-sex relationship. Several states have considered or enacted legislation sanctioning coparent or second parent adoption by partners of the same sex. But other states have not yet considered legislative action, while at least one state bans adoptions altogether by the second parent or coparent in a same sex relationship.

According to the policy statement, coparent or second-parent adoption in a same-sex relationship provides for the following:

Guarantees that the second parent's custody rights will be protected if the first parent falls ill or dies.
Protects the second parent's rights to custody and visitation if the couple separates.
Establishes the requirement for child support from both parents in the event of the parents' separation.
Ensures the child's eligibility for health benefits from both parents.
Provides legal grounds for either parent to provide consent for medical care and other important decisions.
Creates the basis for financial security for children by ensuring eligibility to all appropriate entitlements, such as Social Security survivors benefits.
The AAP recommends that pediatricians become familiar with professional literature regarding gay and lesbian parents and their children; support the right of every child and family to the financial, psychological and legal security that results from having both parents legally recognized; and advocate for initiatives that establish permanency through coparent or second-parent adoption for children of same-sex partners.
www.aap.org...

parrhesia

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:02 AM

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How would the child feel seeing them sleep together?
They probably wouldn't think twice, because it would be normal for them.
A child can see past all this crap; they'll see the love and attention and the home provided for them.

Th0r

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by FredT
There simply is no evidence to back up these claims that some of you are making.

No evidence is needed, At my school a student had a gay father and he was so ridiculed it was terrible. If you have any understanding of teenage schooling these day you would not wish any child to go through the physical and emotional ripple effects that WOULD result of having to gay especaily male parents.

FredT

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:04 AM

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And more to chew on: Wow real science not rhetoric

Technical Report: Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents
Ellen C. Perrin, MD and Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health
A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes.

[url=http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/109/2/341?ijkey=7a2bca8d143e0a7d38e82707ea8c2ff11dba5d8e&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha]Science[ /url]

Seekerof

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:10 AM

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I may be wrong on this, but since this has gone unsaid or unmentioned, perhaps the Supreme Court is trying to indicate that this is a state matter, and that it is ultimately up to each individual to to determine such?

seekerof

FredT

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by Seekerof
I may be wrong on this, but since this has gone unsaid or unmentioned, perhaps the Supreme Court is trying to indicate that this is a state matter, and that it is ultimately up to each individual to to determine such?

Possible Seekerof, but it does seem to be a patter they have gotten into of denying without any explanation. Usualy if they view it as a states right thing they would write and opinion or comment stating just that.

There seems to be a pattern here with them sidestepping political landmines.

The Pledge, this and others. It will be an interesting 2005

JoeDoaks

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by parrhesia

Originally posted by JoeDoaks

Gay adoption is a contradiction in terms as far as I am concerned.

What about all the closet homosexual mothers and fathers out there, then?
Should they have their children be taken from them? Or is the issue that the adoptive parents are not actually bearing the children, thus should be restricted from being parents at all?
If gays cannot adopt, why stop there. Don't let them have kids via artificial insemination, or other means, either!

'closet' kind of nukes it all doesn't it? If the homosexulaity of a parent is NOT an issue then it is NOT an issue.

It is the lifestyle aspect that appears to me to be the most chilling. Sure I know there are decent - - - and indecent - - - -, that isn't the point.

Children are not pets. Children are the result of sexual relations (or insemination but still opposite sexes). Children should be raised in an environment where sexes know their biological roles. Even a child raised by one parent that happens to be homosexual wouldn't be inundated with a 24/7 environment (hopefully).

Caring in and of itself is not the issue. Important, yes.

No child should be subjected to an crippled environment if it is possible for them not to be.

parrhesia

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by JoeDoaks

'closet' kind of nukes it all doesn't it? If the homosexulaity of a parent is NOT an issue then it is NOT an issue.

Why is it an issue at all?
So essentially, you can be gay - just don't live gay openly otherwise you shouldn't have children?

Children should be raised in an environment where sexes know their biological roles.

Biological roles?

Please tell me more about these biological roles, beyond the necessity of heterosexual sexual relations for propagation of the species.

Even a child raised by one parent that happens to be homosexual wouldn't be inundated with a 24/7 environment (hopefully).

Even a child raised by two homosexual parents wouldn't have 24/7 exposure to it. Heterosexuality is all around us.

FredT

posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by JoeDoaks
No child should be subjected to an crippled environment if it is possible for them not to be.

Ah Joe, did you even glance at any of those articles I posted above

Remember that medical organizations like the AMA and the Pediatric version by nature are very conservative with thier opinions on matters.