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Is Hilary the Lesser Evil in 2016?

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posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

And other polls indicate her getting trounced by Rubio so I guess it all comes down to which candidate the party bosses want to install.


Absolutely no disagreement from me, there.





posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: greencmp


For one thing, I have never heard him say that he wants to create new laws based on religion.


He wants to DESTROY EXISTING laws; he has plenty of plans to remove gay marriage, outlaw abortion, and support the Kim Davis's of the world.
Dude, he is a Dominionist. His father is a Dominionist - who raised Ted to be "the Annointed One." He wants to put prayer back in school, allow corporations to deny freedoms to their employees (big supporter of Hobby Lobby - 'member that?)

Ted Cruz’s Father Preaches That His Son Is An “Anointed King” Who Will Bring The “End Time Transfer Of Wealth”


in a very real, mundane sense Ted Cruz has already helped deliver hundreds of millions of dollars, or more, to the evangelical right. Cruz’ past service – as a “king” who brought “spoils to the priests” – is a matter of established record;

...a top adviser to President George W. Bush has stated that in 1999 Ted Cruz played a major role in helping the Bush for President campaign lock down the conservative evangelical vote in the 2000 election.

...
But Ted Cruz’ apparently notable role in getting George W. Bush into the presidency led in turn to Bush’s “Faith Based Initiative” – that continues to this day under two successive Obama administrations and which, during the Bush years, funneled billions of dollars to churches and institutions associated with the religious right.

In other words, the “great transfer of wealth” is about more than wishful thinking. It’s about an ongoing effort, by leaders and institutions of the evangelical right, to gradually gobble up the secular sphere of government.


See?


n a sermon[2] last year at an Irving, Texas, megachurch that helped elect Ted Cruz to the United States Senate,

Cruz’ father Rafael Cruz indicated that his son was among the "kings" [who will take religious control]


These people are very serious about making this a Christian Theocracy. Please check the link for embedded links to more info regarding the Seven Mountain Dominionists. And in case you missed it above, here, read it again:


to take control of all sectors of society, an agenda commonly referred to as the “Seven Mountains” mandate, and “bring the spoils of war to the priests”, thus helping to bring about a prophesied “great transfer of wealth”, from the “wicked” to righteous gentile believers.

The Seven Mountains are:

Government
Business
Education
Media
Arts & Entertainment
Family
and RELIGION

Those are the things these Evangelicals intend to TAKE OVER. Decades now, they've been infiltrating government at all levels....from ridiculous Kim Davis to the asinine Governor of Kansas - all Evangelical control freaks.


Please, please, stop looking away from it. This has been pointed out so many times on ATS that it's not only redundant, but appalling that so few of you members realize it.


I also want to completely destroy existing laws as you probably know, does that make me a theocrat?

I'm actually very interested in hearing the full charges against him. I'm not exactly sure what you have presented above but, it doesn't appear to be evidence of Cruz's theocratic ambitions. Not that such things don't trouble me, it reminds me of the controversy surrounding the "God damn America" sermon by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

As a constitutionalist, how could there be a federal edict enforcing any religious traditions? One thing that people forget is that the original colonial states were in fact church states so the constitution was formed specifically to be agnostic with respect to state laws.

As long as they didn't violate the Bill of Rights or usurp the specifically enumerated and limited responsibilities assigned to the federal government, the states and the people were intentionally left to discover their own solutions to their own unique problems.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 09:05 PM
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If not Bernie, an unlikely choice as a 74 year old socialist who then?

Trump or Rubio, or Crazy Cruz?

Rubio is a punk, neocon butt kisser who makes Obama seem like Abe Lincoln.

Imagine that ignorant robotic punk as president!

We have a great choice
It’s like having a choice between

The Devil, Cruz,
Satan, Rubio,
Beelzebub, Hillary,
Trump, the Antichrist
and Bernie, Lucifer

Take you're pick

edit on 21-2-2016 by Willtell because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: greencmp

What would be evidence of Cruz's theocratic intentions then?

Must he proclaim "I want to establish a Theocracy!"?

Because, he's met all other reasonable critieria for understanding that's what he would do ... if he could.

If he gets the chance ...



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

The sad part is you think you actually have choices......



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 06:08 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Metallicus

The sad part is you think you actually have choices......


We have the same choice we always have ... to cast our vote first for the party/nominee of our choice, and then, to vote in the general election.

The fallacy of "we don't have a choice" is intended to keep folks away from the polls. It's usually fairly successful.

Which results, of course, in not having a choice ... because you did nothing to exercise one.

It's a defeatist attitude.



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 06:31 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Metallicus

The sad part is you think you actually have choices......


We have the same choice we always have ... to cast our vote first for the party/nominee of our choice, and then, to vote in the general election.

The fallacy of "we don't have a choice" is intended to keep folks away from the polls. It's usually fairly successful.

Which results, of course, in not having a choice ... because you did nothing to exercise one.

It's a defeatist attitude.





Fallacies and facts eh....if you need to pretend that your vote makes a difference all the power to ya....the point in time that you realize you are voting for yourself and not the masses is the point in time you understand what matters....

Of course the very statement i made is a fallacy because if you never understand the plight of your fellow man it is kinda pointless



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

What does the "plight of my fellow man" have to do with the American voting process?

Did I say anything about 'my vote making a difference'? I stated the obvious facts, that in 2016 as in most elections in the last century or so, Americans can vote in their chosen party's primaries and in the General Election.

That is a fact.

Your assertion that individual's votes do not "matter" is asinine. They "matter" as much as they always do.

A better question might be, why are you trying to discourage Americans from voting?



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66




A better question might be, why are you trying to discourage Americans from voting?


Well actually i would encourage American citizens to look a whole lot closer at the whole process of voting as apposed not voting, i think the majority of the populace have their fingers firmly planted in their ears while singing lalala



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: greencmp

What would be evidence of Cruz's theocratic intentions then?

Must he proclaim "I want to establish a Theocracy!"?

Because, he's met all other reasonable critieria for understanding that's what he would do ... if he could.

If he gets the chance ...


Yes.

When Bernie Sanders says he wants America to be socialist, I take him at his word.

If Cruz said that despite his long career as a defender of the constitution, he wished to cast it aside in favor of a religious text, I would also take him at his word.



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

If Cruz said that despite his long career as a defender of the constitution

Long career?


Cruz graduated from Princeton University in 1992, and from Harvard Law School in 1995. (20 years ago. Not such a "long time.")

Between 1999 (17 years ago) and 2003 (13 years ago) Cruz was the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an associate deputy attorney general at the United States Department of Justice, and domestic policy advisor to President George W. Bush on the 2000 George W. Bush presidential campaign.

He served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to 2008 (seven years ago), appointed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. He was the first Hispanic, and the longest-serving solicitor general, in Texas history.

Source
(Parenthetic year tally added by me)

Hardly a "long career." Not to mention the fact that he WAS responsible for Bush's "Faith Initiative" push; and 'associate deputy' is like a third-pick runner up....he's a freshman Senator who NOBODY LIKES -
no one who has known him likes him.
All say he's really smart. I don't doubt that. All also say he's completely unlikeable.

Even if he won - Congress members already don't like him, and with his "theocracy" plan on top of that - well -
just saying. Nobody likes the guy. His own daughter tried to flick his forehead when he went to kiss her -
and said, "Ow" when he forced it on her.


He is scum.
As in: eww.


edit on 2/22/2016 by BuzzyWigs because: formatting, source link, and emphasis clarity



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Is it safe to say that you don't like me either?

Is that why I'm wrong?



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

what?

I'm just saying Cruz doesn't have a "long career" by any stretch of the imagination, and that he's a sleazy asshole besides (and was before he ever started his "long career") .....

it has nothing to do with you.

Sanders says he wants America to implement Democratic Socialist policies pertaining to health care and education. That's all. Reform 'campaign finance', rein in the banks, and stop Lobbying and Citizens United.

Cruz says he wants to bring "Christian values" and reverse all of the laws allowing abortion, gay marriage, etc.......add prayer to schools, allow employers (Hobby Lobby was one of his 'crusades'), and so on and so forth.

So, take them at their word. But be sure you LOOK UP those words.

Don't assume you know what they're talking about without researching it. Cruz wasn't even a bloody spark in his dad's eyes when Bernie was starting out. And he was raised by a holy-roller who decided Ted is the "Anointed King" and has groomed him to take over everything.
The Seven Mountains:
Business
Government
Education
Media
Arts & Entertainment
Family
and
Religion
Seven Cultural Mountains
Learn.



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posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: greencmp

what?

I'm just saying Cruz doesn't have a "long career" by any stretch of the imagination, and that he's a sleazy asshole besides (and was before he ever started his "long career") .....

it has nothing to do with you.

Sanders says he wants America to implement Democratic Socialist policies pertaining to health care and education. That's all. Reform 'campaign finance', rein in the banks, and stop Lobbying and Citizens United.

Take him at that word. Don't assume you know what he's talking about without researching it.



So far, your objections are that his career isn't long enough and that you don't like him.

Those are perfectly adequate explanations for your subjective distaste for him but, they aren't objective reasons for disqualifying him.



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Gryphon66




A better question might be, why are you trying to discourage Americans from voting?


Well actually i would encourage American citizens to look a whole lot closer at the whole process of voting as apposed not voting, i think the majority of the populace have their fingers firmly planted in their ears while singing lalala


Right, so why wouldn't you be ENCOURAGING them to participate in the process, rather than adding to the Greek Chorus of despair that desperately tries to convince us that we have no power and nothing we do matters?



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

It is perfectly objective to not want a Seven-Mountain Dominionist theocrat to take over

Government
Business
Media
Arts & Education
Education
FAMILY
and
RELIGION.

Which is what he was raised and groomed from the cradle to do. And my distaste for him is simply his voice, his smarmy quality, his penchant for lying, and his punchable face.
But I've never met him in person. His little girl is creeped out by him - and not one person has come forward to say they like him......everyone from former roommates to current Congress members, and his own family.....everyone who KNOWS HIM PERSONALLY dislikes him.

I just think he's sleazy.



posted on Feb, 23 2016 @ 12:25 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Gryphon66




A better question might be, why are you trying to discourage Americans from voting?


Well actually i would encourage American citizens to look a whole lot closer at the whole process of voting as apposed not voting, i think the majority of the populace have their fingers firmly planted in their ears while singing lalala


Right, so why wouldn't you be ENCOURAGING them to participate in the process, rather than adding to the Greek Chorus of despair that desperately tries to convince us that we have no power and nothing we do matters?





Simply the system is broken, the sooner people digest this they can look at ways to fix it.....

The current situation is akin to having a great big hole in your fuel tank, the moment you fill up you are on empty again, so what is the point of trying to fill the tank ?



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