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Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%).”
Mohandas KaramchandGandhi (1869-1948) Indian thinker, statesman, and nationalist leader.
q "....I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for� Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble."� [Young India (periodical), 1928, Volume X]
"See, my religion doesn't kill as much as yours, so mine is better."
Or you have the people that will exalt anything that casts Christianity in a negative light. This story has been making the rounds among both groups.
"See, my religion doesn't kill as much as yours, so mine is better."
.I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for� Islam in those days
Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)
I say that if I were to become the supreme leader of the free world I will build a big beautiful wall between Muslim countries and non-Muslim countries and will make Muslims pay for it. Unlike Trumps wall mine will have no doors and no windows and will be as tall as the stratosphere so no plane can fly over it. I have been calling for the secession of all ties with Muslims for years.
When you stop Islamic expansion Muslims turn to each other and will start killing one another. This is not such a bad thing after all considering the alternative which is killing us. Eventually the survivors will come to their senses and will leave Islam. If we keep them at bay at least we will be saved. Leave Muslims alone. Build the wall and don’t peep inside. Let them do what they do best. i.e., killing each other.
I support Trump’s proposal wholeheartedly even if it may prevent me to travel to USA. The point is not to ban Muslims, because it would not be practical in the long run, but to raise an important and ignored issue that there is a problem with Islam and we need to address it. We have been ignoring this problem for 1400 years and Islam has kept growing. The very first people who had to address this problem were the Meccans. They didn’t and as the result the world is paying the price. Time has come to get to the bottom of this problem and nothing more than a crisis will do it.
The key in Trump’s speech is “until we find out what the hell is going on.” Well you and I know what the hell is going on but the world does not. It is up to us to explain it to others. The problem is not people, but the ideology, the religion that inspire these people. The problem is the Quran and the belief in a psychopath mass murderer.
In the Name of God, the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate
Executive Summary of the Marrakesh Declaration on the Rights of Religious Minorities in
Predominantly Muslim Majority Communities
25th-27th January 2016
WHEREAS, conditions in various parts of the Muslim World have deteriorated dangerously due to the use of violence and armed struggle as a tool for settling conflicts and imposing one's point of view;
WHEREAS, this situation has also weakened the authority of legitimate governments and enabled criminal groups to issue edicts attributed to Islam, but which, in fact, alarmingly distort its fundamental principles and goals in ways that have seriously harmed the population as a whole;
WHEREAS, this year marks the 1,400th anniversary of the Charter of Medina, a constitutional contract between the Prophet Muhammad, God's peace and blessings be upon him, and the people of Medina, which guaranteed the religious liberty of all, regardless of faith;
WHEREAS, hundreds of Muslim scholars and intellectuals from over 120 countries, along with representatives of Islamic and international organizations, as well as leaders from diverse religious groups and nationalities, gathered in Marrakesh on this date to reaffirm the principles of the Charter of Medina at a major conference;
WHEREAS, this conference was held under the auspices of His Majesty, King Mohammed VI of Morocco, and organized jointly by the Ministry of Endowment and Islamic Affairs in the Kingdom of Morocco and the Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies based in the United Arab Emirates;
AND NOTING the gravity of this situation afflicting Muslims as well as peoples of other faiths throughout the world, and after thorough deliberation and discussion, the convened Muslim scholars and intellectuals:
DECLARE HEREBY our firm commitment to the principles articulated in the Charter of Medina, whose provisions contained a number of the principles of constitutional contractual citizenship, such as freedom of movement, property ownership, mutual solidarity and defense, as well as principles of justice and equality before the law; and that,
The objectives of the Charter of Medina provide a suitable framework for national constitutions in countries with Muslim majorities, and the United Nations Charter and related documents, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, are in harmony with the Charter of Medina, including consideration for public order.
NOTING FURTHER that deep reflection upon the various crises afflicting humanity underscores the inevitable and urgent need for cooperation among all religious groups, we
AFFIRM HEREBY that such cooperation must be based on a "Common Word," requiring that such cooperation must go beyond mutual tolerance and respect, to providing full protection for the rights and liberties to all religious groups in a civilized manner that eschews coercion, bias, and arrogance.
BASED ON ALL OF THE ABOVE, we hereby: Call upon Muslim scholars and intellectuals around the world to develop a jurisprudence of the concept of "citizenship" which is inclusive of diverse groups. Such jurisprudence shall be rooted in Islamic tradition and principles and mindful of global changes.
Urge Muslim educational institutions and authorities to conduct a courageous review of educational curricula that addresses honestly and effectively any material that instigates aggression and extremism, leads to war and chaos, and results in the destruction of our shared societies;
Call upon politicians and decision makers to take the political and legal steps necessary to establish a constitutional contractual relationship among its citizens, and to support all formulations and initiatives that aim to fortify relations and understanding among the various religious groups in the Muslim World;
Call upon the educated, artistic, and creative members of our societies, as well as organizations of civil society, to establish a broad movement for the just treatment of religious minorites in Muslim countries and to raise awareness as to their rights, and to work together to ensure the success of these efforts.
Call upon the various religious groups bound by the same national fabric to address their mutual state of selective amnesia that blocks memories of centuries of joint and shared living on the same land; we call upon them to rebuild the past by reviving this tradition of conviviality, and restoring our shared trust that has been eroded by extremists using acts of terror and aggression;
Call upon representatives of the various religions, sects and denominations to confront all forms of religious bigotry, villification, and denegration of what people hold sacred, as well as all speech that promote hatred and bigotry;
AND FINALLY, AFFIRM that it is unconscionable to employ religion for the purpose of aggressing upon the rights of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
January 27th, 2016
The conference drew speakers from around the world, including representatives from various governments and non-Muslim communities.
Some of those who attended were previously affiliated with Islamist organizations or beliefs. The organizer, bin Bayyah himself, said in the past that contributions to jihadi fighters count as charity and that Muslims should support Hamas financially. He was also former vice chairman of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, which in 2004 issued a fatwa imposing a “duty on every able Muslim in and outside of Iraq” to carry out and support attacks on American soldiers.
The conference also seemed to be very concerned with Islam’s reputation, rather than securing the rights of victims of oppression.
“Muslims have to show that certain events which are happening under the guise of Islam are driven or prompted by considerations which have nothing to do with religion,” King Mohammed said in his statement.
This could have been positive if it motivated the attendees of the conference to implement equal rights for both Muslims and non-Muslims and to deconstruct the extremist ideologies that foster discrimination.
Given bin Bayyah organized the conference it is too early to tell if that is possible.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
Just on the violence, it a violent world, God is just in carrying out violence, its Gods justice.