a reply to: ExNihiloRed
I am a socialist, of the christian variety and for me I am actually of mixed mind's, I believe socialism and social care can and have to be offered
on a nation by nation basis not a global single society as that is too communist for me however no matter which side of the line all sides have there
own globalist agenda's, whether for business and corporations on the right side of the bench or for raising the poor of the third world up (which the
right seem's to forget creates new consumers) on the left side of the bench.
What I actually believe is that a nation should care for it's own poor, in the first world for instance in the 21st century there should be no
hungry, homeless, poorly educated or discriminated against (non criminal) members of a society.
Public services such as fully comprehenive free health care, public amenitys such as free librarys and free public swimming bath's and high quality
well policed and maintained social housing should all be provided by the state to the poorest whom can not otherwise afford these thing's as well as a
small income sufficiant to pay utility bill's (heating and electricity within reason of course) and supply enough food to ensure they are not hungry
and are in good health to seek out job's or simply to survive with there human right's provided for.
Indeed we used to have this in the UK but it was the generation of the Drug addict which destroyed our own public perception of this as a good thing
were addict's were simply spending there benefit's on there next fix and going out, stealing, shoplifting and burgling to pay for more.
So instead of fixing the Drug (With far stiffer sentences for the dealers and suppliers making it as it should be equal to murder) and economic
migration problem's ? (the social system was only sustainable for our own people as it was paid for from tax revenue raised off of our own economy so
of course migrant's coming to claim benefits' overtax it in theory - EXCEPT that in britain this was never the problem that it was claimed to be with
the majority of migrant's including economic migrant's actually working and paing income tax after there initial start period in work (when they are
not illegal that is) but of course to rant against that propegand for which I fell myself - Don't let that stop the Lunatic Right whom simply want to
take it back to the Master Servant style of society that it was in the mid 1800's complete with workhouses for the poor and debters prisons (believe
me this is genuinely the Tory pipe dream, Tory's are our ULTRA right wingers whom control the British Conservative party in the UK) and today as a
consequence of this very well organised public propeganda campaign on our TV's and in our headlines - AKA the right wing owned and controlled media,
it is Actually OUR OWN SICK and OUR OWN POOR whom are now having to seek out charity for stale out of date food handout's and with a staggering ONE in
Five 18 to 26 year old homeless as a result of Tory and right wing "new labour" policy's socialism is more or less dead in the UK today.
Also in the UK the Tory's have a way to fiddling the unemployment statistic's, if you are not employed in a very short period of time after signing
up for unemployment beneft they take you off the list of unemployed and SANCTION you which mean's they stop your benefit's entirely saying that you
are not looking for work, if you are ill they find any excuse to say you can work even if you only have one hand and there are no suitable job's
available so they once again STOP those benefit's, under the tory's we have always had an increase in death's among the poor and the vulnerable and
this government under David Cameron is heading for a record number of poverty and sanction related deaths' and suicides.
They are even setting up the NHS for a sell off to the private health providers whom have been chasing after it for the past 50+.
So here is the fact, Socialism ( not communism which is far too extreme but Socialism ) is about state providance and wealth redistribution to raise
the lowest standard of living up to human right's acceptable level's with a safety net for the poor whom are unemployed or can not work but still free
economic's except that subsidies may be provided to support vital industry's and the job's they provide as well as state utility's such as water, gas,
electricity and public transport being publicly owned and free high quality state education provided up to university level, it is about taxing those
that CAN afford it but not excessively and making that money which would otherwise simply accumulate in foreign bank account's instead work for the
country and drive the lower sector's of the economy, it boosts the retail sector as these poor then become limited but dependable consumers as they
buy there food and not be forced to beg for it at food bank's and this in turn help's to drive the related industry's which supply the retail sector
while it also keep's those poor in good health and job ready if the economy should suddenly buck up with the one caveat that the job's have to pay a
FAIR wage and not a slave subsistance level wage as is common in the State's were there has never been a true socialist (Christian - if you have two
coats and your brother has non give him the one you are not using - public wealth redistribution of excess earnings) policy.
Conservatism and of course the ultra right Tory idiology is about wealth belonging to the elite minority, about them having the right to
unsustainably mine the economy stripping the wealth off into there bank account's and paying next to no tax, if you can not afford to live then you
fall into the catagorie of EXCESS POPULATION and Tory idiology is that you should be allowed to DIE OFF in order to remove that excess population
(NAZI's EH), they do not believe in state providance of anything except the defence needed to keep them in there own position's or state welfare and
believe it should be scrapped and should never have been implemented in the first place and they believe if you don't earn enough or can not work then
TOUGH LUCK you are a useless slave so should be removed from there slave populaton because they OWN you and you are theres to do with as they
Notably in the late 20th century all the country's with the leading quality of life also had socialist welfare systems in place.
For me I support Localised social system's while a globalised system smacks of too much control over nation's, great if it is honest and fair but it
never would be regardless of whether it was right capitalist which is iherantly unfair or socialist which would be semi communist if it got that big
and overstep the mark into curtailing individual freedom's.
edit on 17-2-2016 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)