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originally posted by: Rasalghul
a reply to: yosako
God/Allah wants us to be good people, do good things. I'll follow God on thatvanyday.
Your confused about Islam it is a peaceful religion. Not all Muslims are peaceful and the same is true with Christians.
War has nothing to do with Islam, it's about power and territory. I can see you don't know much about Islam. You wouldn't have made such an ignorant comment.
Every group has bad apples, lets not confuse them with the good.
Most Muslims are awesome people.
originally posted by: dollukka
So we have learnt and evolved to the state that we do not need to have sex to produce babies. So saying God do not have sex and do not have a son because it is impossible without sex.. We today, are we more intelligent and able than God ?
Someone who creates heaven and earth and all around suddenly is not capable to do that ?
For many people the image of the crescent moon and Islam go hand-in-hand. The two have become so entwined in the popular imagination that it’s lead some to believe that Muslims worship a moon god, which isn’t true.
Muslims worship Allah who they believe is also the god of the Jews and Christians. But how did the two, the moon and Islam, become so closely associated? It all goes back to the Ottomans.
The Muslim Ottoman Empire controlled large swaths of the Middle East and North Africa when, as any empire builders, they decided they wanted to expand and the territory they wanted was in Europe – eventually they would come to control Greece, much of the Balkans and portions of eastern Europe.
On the Ottoman flag was the crescent moon – a symbol the Turks adopted from the city of Constantinople after conquering it. Because the crescent moon was the symbol for the Ottomans, it also became the symbol for Muslims in general for many in the West.
It has since been adopted by some Muslim nations – finding its way onto the flags of countries as diverse as Malaysia, Pakistan and Algeria. Although some in the Muslim community reject the crescent moon because it can be seen as a pagan symbol.
his information came from Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest after his conversion to Protestant Christianity. It is excerpted from "The Prophet," published by Chick Publications, PO Box 662, Chino CA 91708. Since its publication, after several unsuccessful attempts on his life, he died suddenly from food poisoning. His testimony should not be silenced. Dr. Rivera speaks to us still ...
"What I'm going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction. A Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century. Because of its religious history and its strategic location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city.
"The great untapped source of manpower that could do this job was the children of Ishmael. The poor Arabs fell victim to one of the most clever plans ever devised by the powers of darkness. Early Christians went everywhere with the gospel setting up small churches, but they met heavy opposition. Both the Jews and the Roman government persecuted the believers in Christ to stop their spread. But the Jews rebelled against Rome, and in 70 AD, Roman armies under General Titus smashed Jerusalem and destroyed the great Jewish temple which was the heart of Jewish worship...in fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in Matthew 24:2.
"On this holy placed today where the temple once stood, the Dome of the Rock Mosque stands as Islam's second most holy place. Sweeping changes were in the wind. Corruption, apathy, greed, cruelty, perversion and rebellion were eating at the Roman Empire, and it was ready to collapse. The persecution against Christians was useless as they continued to lay down their lives for the gospel of Christ.
"The only way Satan could stop this thrust was to create a counterfeit "Christian" religion to destroy the work of God. The solution was in Rome. Their religion had come from ancient Babylon and all it needed was a face-lift. This didn't happen overnight, but began in the writings of the 'early church fathers'.
"It was through their writings that a new religion would take shape. The statue of Jupiter in Rome was eventually called St. Peter, and the statue of Venus was changed to the Virgin Mary. The site chosen for its headquarters was on one of the seven hills called 'Vaticanus', the place of the diving serpent where the Satanic temple of Janus stood.
"The great counterfeit religion was Roman Catholicism, called 'Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth'- Revelation 17:5. She was raised up to block the gospel, slaughter the believers in Christ, establish religions, create wars and make the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication as we will see.
"Three major religions have one thing in common - each has a holy place where they look for guidance. Roman Catholicism looks to the Vatican as the Holy City. The Jews look to the wailing wall in Jerusalem, and the Muslims look to Mecca as their Holy City. Each group believes that they receive certain types of blessings for the rest of their lives for visiting their holy place. In the beginning, Arab visitors would bring gifts to the 'House of God', and the keepers of the Kaaba were gracious to all who came. Some brought their idols and, not wanting to offend these people, their idols were placed inside the sanctuary. It is said that the Jews looked upon the Kaaba as an outlying tabernacle of the Lord with veneration until it became polluted with idols.
The Kaaba, Mecca. Image from: webislam.com
"In a tribal contention over a well(Zamzam) the treasure of the Kaaba and the offerings that pilgrims had given were dumped down the well and it was filled with sand - it disappeared. Many years later Adb Al-Muttalib was given visions telling him where to find the well and its treasure. He became the hero of Mecca, and he was destined to become the grandfather of Muhammad. Before this time, Augustine became the bishop of North Africa and was effective in winning Arabs to Roman Catholicism, including whole tribes. It was among these Arab converts to Catholicism that the concept of looking for an Arab prophet developed.
"Muhammad's father died from illness and sons born to great Arab families in places like Mecca were sent into the desert to be suckled and weaned and spend some of their childhood with Bedouin tribes for training and to avoid the plagues in the cities.
"After his mother and grandfather also died, Muhammad was with his uncle when a Roman Catholic monk learned of his identity and said, "Take your brother's son back to his country and guard him against the Jews, for by god, if they see him and know of him that which I know, they will construe evil against him. Great things are in store for this brother's son of yours."
"The Roman Catholic monk had fanned the flames for future Jewish persecutions at the hands of the followers of Muhammad. The Vatican desperately wanted Jerusalem because of its religious significance, but was blocked by the Jews.
originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein
Funny.. Question was if we are able to create babies without intercourse so God is not able to do the same. According the bible he made Adam out of clay and Eve from his rib bone.. so according to bible God is behind all the matter on earth. So if that is so he should be quite capable of creating a son without having a sex.. shouldn´t he ?
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
Just because Paul was a false prophet do not make Muhammad a true prophet.
There is to many similarities between Hitler and Muhammad behavior and duallistic teaching for me to not see the insanity they both have brought to humanity.
Where Yeshua made sure he did not go over "eye for an eye"/"The mirror", Muhammad and Hitler in the end missed the mark.
Rumi, Nanak, Zoroaster and Yeshua knew what they where talking about and compered to them Muhammad is predatory and small minded. A soul without self control.
And the curse of duality hate will always follow Muhammad and his followers until he is totally disconnected from the historic person and his words are rewritten to follow the golden rule in all the verses where he logically miss the mark. The curse that will always bring war and genocide and counter war and genocide.
Judaism also suffer from the same curse, but some of them have used secular humanistic thinking to temper some of the problem. Except the Zionist of course that still suffer from the full curse that will bring war not peace to all humankind.
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Have you ever read Rumi's poetry?
99% of it is about Muhammad's greatness and mercy.
What an odd response.
I saw the realm of joy and pleasure.
There I melted like salt;
no religion, no blasphemy,
no conviction or uncertainty remained.
In the middle of my heart,
a star appeared,
and the seven heavens were lost in its brilliance.
A true Lover doesn't follow any one religion,
be sure of that.
Since in the religion of Love,
there is no irreverence or faith.
When in Love,
body, mind, heart and soul don't even exist.
fall in Love,
and you will not be separated again.
Alas, don't say those treading the path are not the chosen ones.
That the followers of Christ, or the faithless are not the chosen ones.
Because you are not chosen to be the keeper of secrets.
You think that other are not the chosen ones.
originally posted by: Slanter
Radical muslims are just taking their book literally, and the bible is just as awful as the Qur'an when it comes to violence and hatred.