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Fluoride-free drinking water in Calgary leads to rise in kids' tooth decay

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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Can you tell me which link? i posted a few different ones




posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: gmoneystunt

The post I replied to.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Water fluoridation kills livestock, so it just can't be healthy for humans. This study is based on circumstances that don't take into account a lot of different things. Seems like propaganda, and perhaps this study was authorized by someone who was "paid off".
Just ask any veterinarian who has lived in any area where there was flouride in the water, what happens to animals that have to drink it.


Can you please provide citations for this?

How much livestock is being killed? Do all livestock drinking fluoridated water die, or get sick?

I can only find links like Natural News which I give no credence to.

If this is true, surely there would be studies about this. Surely ranchers would be outraged.
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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Calcium Fluoride is a natural occurrence. That is the safer version of Fluoride. Sodium Fluoride is worse. If those are the effects of the safer version I would expect the worse version to have worse effects. I apologize that I fail to see your point.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: gmoneystunt

You went on about skeletal fluorosis which is a problem yet you conveniently left out the info that skeletal fluorosis is a problem attributed to naturally occurring fluoride in unregulated areas.

My point is your points are misleading.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Are you trying to say that calcium fluoride (natural) can cause skeletal fluorosis but sodium fluoride can not?

Do you think natural occurring fluoride is more dangerous or that it simply had different side effects?


Agriculture shows that 3% of the U.S. population drinks 4 liters or more of water every day. If these individuals live in areas where the water contains a fluoride level of 4 ppm, allowed by the EPA, they are ingesting 16 mg/day from the consumption of water alone, and are thus at greater risk for getting skeletal fluorosis.

www.globalresearch.ca...

If its regulated or allowed by the EPA then that is public water which includes sodium fluoride as well. The EPA is not regulating natural occurring calcium fluoride. Are you misleading?



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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: gmoneystunt

Are you claiming skeletal fluorosis is a problem occurring from water sources where fluoride is being added?

If you can't show evidence of that happening then your point is pointless.



FYI added fluoride in US water is set at 0.7 ppm. BTW I have read the actual China study that your global research article is based off of and I recommend you do the same.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

I was replying to stinkelbaum because that user said

the only thing too much fluoride in the water is proven to cause is dental fluorosis.
I was just showing stinkelbaum what too much fluoride can do. My post did say

long-term ingestion of large amounts can lead to potentially severe skeletal problems.
I never indicated the people of the United States are at risk for developing this. What is your problem?
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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: cuckooold

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Water fluoridation kills livestock, so it just can't be healthy for humans. This study is based on circumstances that don't take into account a lot of different things. Seems like propaganda, and perhaps this study was authorized by someone who was "paid off".
Just ask any veterinarian who has lived in any area where there was flouride in the water, what happens to animals that have to drink it.


Can you please provide citations for this?

How much livestock is being killed? Do all livestock drinking fluoridated water die, or get sick?

I can only find links like Natural News which I give no credence to.

If this is true, surely there would be studies about this. Surely ranchers would be outraged.


Many ARE outraged. But since this problem is somewhat political, you aren't going to have the unadulterated truth given to you as freely as the nightly winner of American Idol, or whatever.

fluoridealert.org...

Try putting a bit more effort into researching fluoride if you are really dying to know the truth about it.

My Father is a veterinarian with 60 years of experience and has dealt with the after effects of fluoridated water and he brought documented proof of how deadly the stuff is to a city hall meeting in the '70's which resulted in the city halting fluoride use in water, and still to this day they won't put it in the water anymore.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi

Are you claiming skeletal fluorosis is a problem occurring from water sources where fluoride is being added?

But like I said I never claimed it was a problem but I guess it could be a problem

While only a dozen cases of skeletal fluorosis have been reported in the United States, Chemical and Engineering News states that “critics of the EPA standard speculate that there probably have been many more cases of fluorosis – even crippling fluorosis – than the few reported in the literature because most doctors in the U.S. have not studied the disease and do not know how to diagnose it.”
www.globalresearch.ca...



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: cuckooold

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Water fluoridation kills livestock, so it just can't be healthy for humans. This study is based on circumstances that don't take into account a lot of different things. Seems like propaganda, and perhaps this study was authorized by someone who was "paid off".
Just ask any veterinarian who has lived in any area where there was flouride in the water, what happens to animals that have to drink it.


Can you please provide citations for this?

How much livestock is being killed? Do all livestock drinking fluoridated water die, or get sick?

I can only find links like Natural News which I give no credence to.

If this is true, surely there would be studies about this. Surely ranchers would be outraged.


Many ARE outraged. But since this problem is somewhat political, you aren't going to have the unadulterated truth given to you as freely as the nightly winner of American Idol, or whatever.

fluoridealert.org...

Try putting a bit more effort into researching fluoride if you are really dying to know the truth about it.

My Father is a veterinarian with 60 years of experience and has dealt with the after effects of fluoridated water and he brought documented proof of how deadly the stuff is to a city hall meeting in the '70's which resulted in the city halting fluoride use in water, and still to this day they won't put it in the water anymore.


Really, your link is from the Fluoride Action Network? Any studies/evidence from places without an agenda?
There should be peer reviewed articles documenting the harmful effects of fluoride.

Which city banned fluoride because it was so harmful? Again, this should be on the record.

We know that tobacco, thalidomide, Agent Orange, and DDT are harmful for humans. There are plenty of articles documenting the harmful effects of, and the deception of companies producing these products.

For instance;

www.smh.com.au...
www.neurology.org...

www.theage.com.au...

In the mainstream press as well, not just conspiracy websites.

Where are the peer reviewed studies for fluoride? Mainstream media articles regarding the deception of the fluoridation industry? To state this is political seems a cop out, looking at the evidence of other politically motivated deceptions that have been outed.



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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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most doctors in the U.S. have not studied the disease



That would probably be because only 5 cases of skeletal fluorosis have ever been reported in the U.S. In those cases, the total fluoride intake was 15 to 20 mg./fluoride per day for 20 years.

Most epidemiological research has indicated that an intake of at least 10mg. per day for 10 or more years is needed to produce clinical signs of the milder forms of the disease. Which would be several times higher than those of life-long residents of optimally fluoridated communities.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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I can't publish the city for privacy concerns, but the best I can offer you, if you doubt that fluoride harms living creatures, is to call veterinarians in cities where fluoride is still used in water, and ask them yourself.

If you feel after that, that fluoride does not harm you, then please drink up!

That link I noted earlier was just one in the dozens that I found, and I figured you would just shrug it away, because it isn't hard to see what side of the fence a person is sitting on by the attitudes in their posts about things..

I know for a fact that fluoride will harm animals and humans in very big ways because of what I have seen, heard and discussed with professionals in the past, and frankly, if you don't believe that, well, I personally could care less what you think.
Nothing personal though..



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 08:43 PM
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Good gravy....a huge lie....thank you though, we read this like a book

the title says a lie, because it's media release group's father is the father of all lies, and when he speaks, all of it is only lies.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Yeah, from the sounds of it, I don't think its likely to occur with public water. I would imagine you would show signs of dental problems too.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: raedar

originally posted by: saadad
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But why are there no fluoride toothpaste? And why people who use that have better teeth?

Me first. I switched year ago to my homemade toothpaste and my mouth is stronger than ever.

Also when I cut my self I use saliva from my mouth, not some chemical powder, but I m little bit different than usual folks...


For me, my dentist noticed a difference when I had switched to fluoride-free toothpaste for a while and encouraged me to switch back and I have made the decision to do so.

I rinse my mouth repeatedly after brushing, and I drink fluoride free water.


How do you rinse your mouth that you made sure had fluoride all over it, with fluoride free water?

Omg I think you had to much fluoride.

Your rinsing clean water with a toxic paste mainly from fluoride, that is all in your MOUTH.

I've been thinking of moving out of Calgary, the scales have tipped.... where's my drink?



posted on Feb, 18 2016 @ 12:45 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: cuckooold

I can't publish the city for privacy concerns, but the best I can offer you, if you doubt that fluoride harms living creatures, is to call veterinarians in cities where fluoride is still used in water, and ask them yourself.

If you feel after that, that fluoride does not harm you, then please drink up!


Ok, I've done exactly that, having a friend who works as a Vet. This is his response...


In the Sydney basin, the majority of people drink flouridated water, the majority of gardens are watered with flouridated water, the majority of driveways are hosed with flouridated water and yes, the majority of dogs drink flouridated water. I have never seen a dog present with flouride toxicity and the only scenario i can think of where a dog could is if it is owned by a water authority employee and they get into the processing plant and drink straight from the flouride bucket. Go ask a dentist who has spent time in the NT servicing communities that do not have flouride added to their water and ask their opinion if it is a good idea or not. Chronic dental disease can lead to septicaemia, rheumatic heart fever kidney failure and other life shortening issues. FFS. Did you know that oxygen is toxic? If you breath 100% oxygen gas (our atmosphere is about 17%) for prolonged periods then the cells lining your lungs freak out and start oozing fluid and then you can't exchange oxygen at all and you die. So the very key to life is toxic at the wrong concentration - so too flouride - but more so - incredibly toxic at high concentrations - as is chlorine which is also added to our water - do you know how toxic E.coli and salmonella are?? Low levels or chlorine are way more preferable. So flouride is toxic but at low concentrations is incredibly beneficial for dental health and it is COMPLETE BS that is causes any problems for pets. THe most common toxicity we see in pets is actually rat bait. So any one who caresa bout toxic events in pets shoud spend all their efforts advocating for very careful handling storage and use of rat bait. ANd snall bait for that matter. and putting dog flea treatments on cats. (permethrin based ones) I have seen it all. But never flouride and I worked at an emergency specialist hospital for at least 6 years.


So essentially, a friend of mine who works as a Vet tells me that what you are saying is not true.

Yes, I have sourced a Vet who works in a large city, and that is his response verbatim (other than editing his swear words to avoid a T & C violation).
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posted on Feb, 18 2016 @ 01:24 AM
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That is excellent. So drink up all the fluoride you wish and be very merry. And I'll live on not drinking any fluoride that I KNOW FOR A FACT harms everything alive.

Maybe it's opposite down under, like how the toilet water flushes going the opposite direction. Seems logic and reason follow suit.



posted on Feb, 18 2016 @ 03:44 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: cuckooold

That is excellent. So drink up all the fluoride you wish and be very merry. And I'll live on not drinking any fluoride that I KNOW FOR A FACT harms everything alive.

Maybe it's opposite down under, like how the toilet water flushes going the opposite direction. Seems logic and reason follow suit.


So you KNOW FOR A FACT, yet when I ask a proper Vet, he doesn't respond in the way you told me he would. I'd like to know where the millions of dead or damaged animals are because of fluoride? If you 'knew for a fact' you should be able to link to peer reviewed studies, articles not found only on conspiracy websites, instead of pulling out the 'politically minded conspiracy cover up card' that oh-so conveniently allows one to negate posts or evidence they do not agree with, a very dishonest proposition.

Does what you call logic and reason in your world entail disregarding empirically proven evidence, and only accepting things which reinforce your own beliefs?

It seems no evidence will be enough, and all you have left is throwing around ad-homs.
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posted on Feb, 18 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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Yes if government said it is needed in the water who are we to question that. We need to help them dispose all that industrial waste so our government earns more money for big industrial corporations.

So what if few people will get some health problems by adding something to their organism that is not natural.

It is all conspiracy, our government loves us and fluoride is cure for us. Researchers that found out fluoride is crap are lunatics and people in African tribes who don't even know what is fluoride have rotten teeth. (But miracleusly they have healthiest teeth on the world).

Ohh, yea, who cared, they are tribe people, not really a people. So overall let have fluoride first, it taste so good. Yummy



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