originally posted by: giraffe3000
Please dissect and argue against the following proposition, where I argue that giving money to beggars increases unemployment. This is a hypothetical
argument for the sake of debate.
You can give $10 to a beggar in exchange for him polishing your shoes. He then goes to buy food for $10 and eats. If you give the beggar $10 without
him polishing your shoes he also goes to buy food for $10.
We have two cases, case A and B.
A: You give the beggar $10, the beggar pays $10 to the grocery store, the beggar eats.
B: You give $10 to the beggar, the beggar polishes you shoes, the beggar pays $10 to the grocery store, the beggar eats.
In both cases you become $10 poorer, $10 goes to the grocery store and the beggar eats. Since it's the same in both cases we rule that out.
In case A you have to go to a shoemaker to get your shoes polished for $10.
Then you have payed $20 in case A and $10 in case B. You can't say that because the money you give the beggar enters the market again it doesn't make
any difference, that it's just shuffling the cards, because if you only have $10 those can't both go to the grocery store and the shoemaker. Society
has been deprived of the job opportunity worth $10 when you give money to the beggar without demanding any good or service in return.
Society puts itself through the depravity of job opportunity with denial of seeing all movements & positions a human is capable of performing as a
The begger has to associate with people they don't really want to. They have to get up and get motivated to take the plunge to approach a stranger,
or stand there with a sign with eyes of stranger's on them. They are subjected to the most diverse human conciousness thought forms being flung at
them by the people that go by them. Resentment, rage, disgust, fear, lust, satisfaction, ridicule, compassion, anguish. I can't think of any other
position other than a poverty stricken prostitute on the side of the street, who is doing the same thing as the begger but also allowing an invasion
on their personal most secret places, where the beggar still attempts 2 protect that part of themself from the public at large.
Most people, with both having either pretty decent paying jobs and terribly paid low-wage full time jobs, probably would not be a begger for just one
month even if someone offered them 100, 000,.00 to live and act as one. Most would say something like, "no one could ever pay me enough to do that,
I'd rather die first." Now what just took place was a job offer that was declined. On the other hand, say it was accepted by a person who is not a
people person, on the shy and quiet side, who feels anxious around people but still capable of appearing to function normally. And let's say this
person was employed already in a terrible job, working full time, with a "switch off" notice from the Utility Company hanging over their head and an
eviction notice from their landlord coming in a week if they don't receive payment by then, along with their only car suddenly just breaking on them,
and they need a new transmission put in it ASAP, with that car being the vehicle that takes them to work, which is two large towns over from where
they live. No easy bus route available. How hard do you think this person just described here will work dealing with all their mental insecurities?
Very hard. While the physical action is minimal in the action of begging itself, the mental action is different, and what is not seen. Someone
sitting there studying at a library in college, eyes glued to some book, looking peaceful and at ease from a distance, could actually be mentally
focused trying to grasp a complicated concept and formula, lifting mental weights as they try to grasp it. Again. And again. THAT is what makes it
hard. The wrestling with the mind to endure something and process it, that it is not naturally compatible with, makes it hard. We hear many say, "I
studied so hard because what I had to learn was very complicated" and for the most part we'll agree with them. Now take that, and place that concept
on this quiet and shy person who has a job, but it pays the minimal wage leaving them desperate to survive even with having legally recognized work
AND working full time, and think of how complicated it will be to them, 2 their brain, mentally battling they need the money and it's a lot of money,
against their pride and fear. To which their mind, has to learn how to act. To which that encompasses acting. Which that leads me to the next type of
person, who takes the job offer to live as a begger for a month for 100, 000.00, who already has a job as an Actor that pays well, so this money will
be used to buy some expensive 'toys' for them. A boat, jewlery and an exotic vacation somewhere in Asia. In addition, they are excited because this is
a real time role, with the people around not knowing they are an actor, and they get to see the people's reaction and can't wait for it. Any reaction
in the negative or positive by the people that see them is hungrily looked forward to and absorbed. They've always been this way. When they went into
acting there was nothing that was learned that was hard. There was no deep mental process they had to over come. Being a begger wasn't a job to the
actor bc it was that easy. Instead, it was viewed as an experience they were being financially rewarded for, but they are not planning on telling the
one offering the money to be a begger for a month, what a piece of cake it will be because the actor senses this new employer wouldn't want to make a
deal with a professional actor because the job listing didn't specifically advertise for one, nor was it touched on during the interview and when
asked about their current employment, they just simply said part-time college student, who sells second hand items on eBay and lives with their lover,
to which none of those were lies, just witholding information - implementing 'don't ask, don't tell" - which is actually an accepted & widely
practiced policy in the business world.
Now we have 2 distinct personalities & scenarios that can be transferred to the common belief of what a begger is to most people, who don't see the
personality. They don't know the history. They assume. They are THE begger in a humanoid shape and that is all. They are prematurely judged. Could be
judged as the "loser" or "druggie" beggar, as in their minds, they all are, based on one encounter with one, or here's the best one, someone else's
encounter with one bc they never actually talked to one. They can't stand even looking at them saying to one another "those damn pathetic good for
nothing loser druggies get what they deserve, those lazy scumbag freeloading drunks."
Bottom line is no one knows how hard it is for someone to beg. And just because begging is easy for some beggers, er people, (see how that happens?) ,
also means begging is hard for some people. This also means that begging being hard on a person at one time, became easy after months of repetition
and exposure. And it also means that some still find it hard but the reward of not having anyone dictate how they spend that money they earned through
the mentally traumatizing job of begging, has become worth it 2 them.
Is it work only when we suffer? Are people afraid to tell people their high paying job is easy so they think they r working hard?
16-2-2016 by WhiteWingedMonolith because: (no reason given)