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How do you have a relationship with someone who doesn't care about truth?

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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 11:37 PM
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Without full experience of something in all its various forms and know why how why they interact again nothing is truth... sorry, but I am not a Belieber mind control puppet that takes any programming of control.

once you know the architect, you know the planners, once you know the planners you meet the engineer; and once you know the engineer you know the puppet nihilists driving the machinery as most all the others aboard this crazy train ride blissfully on thinking there's some purpose... best to draft another plan? Evolution is an upgrade that fails to be annihilated in life itself... as it learns grows and adapts to every single adversity everything in the entire universe system, paraverse, electroverse, mirrorverse etc combined.

Awakening is truth but it cannot be taught or learned but experienced and for it to be complete it must be full, but one has no control over when it is ripe, as the tree could fall 10,000,000,000,000,000... times in 10,000,000,000,000,000... forests and gravity will not make a sound just a wave good bye as it leaves.




posted on Feb, 18 2016 @ 02:58 AM
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originally posted by: GreenGunther
A hydrogen atom is an atom of the chemical element hydrogen. The electrically neutral atom contains a single positively charged proton and a single negatively charged electron bound to the nucleus by the Coulomb force.


It's always interesting to see people give this type of response when pressed for claiming absolute truths exist.

Science is open to questions and revision, which means none of the "knowledge" it elicits is fixed and unchangeable. What if it is discovered that the nature of a hydrogen atom as it is currently understood changes at some point in the future, and your current definition no longer accurately applies?

Therefore, your example is a relative instance of an absolute truth and not a fixed one. It is relative because it relies on a human framework of knowledge that is incomplete and not absolute. Unless you can claim that we have discovered everything about everything that can be discovered?



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: Dark Ghost

originally posted by: GreenGunther
A hydrogen atom is an atom of the chemical element hydrogen. The electrically neutral atom contains a single positively charged proton and a single negatively charged electron bound to the nucleus by the Coulomb force.


It's always interesting to see people give this type of response when pressed for claiming absolute truths exist.

Science is open to questions and revision, which means none of the "knowledge" it elicits is fixed and unchangeable. What if it is discovered that the nature of a hydrogen atom as it is currently understood changes at some point in the future, and your current definition no longer accurately applies?

Therefore, your example is a relative instance of an absolute truth and not a fixed one. It is relative because it relies on a human framework of knowledge that is incomplete and not absolute. Unless you can claim that we have discovered everything about everything that can be discovered?

There is no wiggle room for the laws of the Absolute . I can fix those for you and explain Infinity as well as the two relate to each other. Are you actually wanting a discussion of how the human is in this mix I can attempt an explanation but would be long winded.
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posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 04:19 AM
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Personally, I no longer choose to have relationships with people who are more concerned with claiming possession of absolute truth than experiencing the present and others, with love.

(-and I used to be a truth seeker, and used to have plateaus of believing I "had" discovered it.)

I got to a point at which it just seemed terribly clear to me that I was heading the wrong direction.

(In the movie "Into the Wild", I identified with the part of Christopher McCandless's adventures when he finally had time alone in the wilderness, and discovered that the only thing that really mattered was that which he had been running from - others; relation, sharing the moment. )


What I had found repeatedly in my years of searching for truth, was that amongst fellow truth seekers, it was all a manifestation of our inherent social drives towards power and hierarchy. To have Truth, is to have Power.
The drive was the same as the one others have for Money.
The arguments and disagreements, though we told ourselves they were all about objectivity, were actually about our own narcissistic desire to proclaim and have others acknowledge our dominance and superiority.
It's all about "winning" the debate in those cases, not a friendly mutual exercise in critical thinking and creative concept construction.

We wanted there to be a universal static truth, so that it can be possessed, hidden, discovered, traded, bought, sold, etc.


If relationships only exist within a framework of hierachy (a superior and an inferior) than you can't have a relationship with someone who isn't interested in determining that.

If you can envision relationships differently - who recognize each other as of equal power, then it is totally possible.



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posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: Bluesma
Personally, I no longer choose to have relationships with people who are more concerned with claiming possession of absolute truth than experiencing the present and others, with love.

The Absolute is infallible. It is comprised of 7 cosmic laws within those are no mistakes or missteps. Even Chaos has order.



posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing

The Absolute is infallible. It is comprised of 7 cosmic laws within those are no mistakes or missteps. Even Chaos has order.


That's nice.

How are you today? Have you had much winter where you are?
I've always wondered - did you paint that dog in your avatar? Was the model a compagnon of yours?



posted on Feb, 20 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

The Absolute is infallible. It is comprised of 7 cosmic laws within those are no mistakes or missteps. Even Chaos has order.


That's nice. How are you today? Have you had much winter where you are?
I've always wondered - did you paint that dog in your avatar? Was the model a compagnon of yours?

I am Absolute fun as usual! We have had far more rain than normal for a high desert existence. I did paint that collie dog when I was 8 years of age (to become a found object: thrift store give-away) eventually. The model was what I remembered as "Lassie" the TV dog in a show from the minds of those in control of those air waves (could have painted Mr. Ed the horse of course)... Thanks for inquiring! How about yourself (good weather); any gardening prospects? Your location is interesting; I was born in Chaumont: 50 miles north east of Paris.
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posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

Wow! You mean that painting got given away and you re-found it??? That is amazing!

We're down in the south of France, and this year, we didn't have a winter, basically. We live at a high altitude and usually have snow, but didn't this year. I barely needed a sweater. The fruit trees went into bloom in January.
As much as I understand this is *bad* (especially for the farmers) I must admit I prefer it, as I am originally used to the desert of California.
You were born in France? How funny! You are no longer in that country though, right? Like me!


Well, there you go. In the shared reality of this earth and the landmasses on it, which we both acknowledge,
we have found some interesting things we have in common, and some things we can relate on.


It's a funny sort of irony that so many look for the universal truths that will pull us together in the spiritual and mental realms, when actually, physics and the sciences, our sensual experiences, are the only guarantee of universal comprehension. One can even communicate with animals upon sensual experience and sensual memory.

That's is where real relationship lies. The sublimation of this reality is an exercise in self consciousness, not consciousness of other. Interpretation and meaning behind direct experiences is subjective.

How to have a relationship with someone who refuses to share your interpretation of reality and truth?
Smile, look into their eyes, and reach out and hold their hand. Universal truths emerge from that, without any words needed.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 06:53 PM
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originally posted by: Bluesma
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Bluesma: Wow! You mean that painting got given away and you re-found it??? That is amazing!
We're down in the south of France, and this year, we didn't have a winter, basically. We live at a high altitude and usually have snow, but didn't this year. I barely needed a sweater. The fruit trees went into bloom in January.
As much as I understand this is *bad* (especially for the farmers) I must admit I prefer it, as I am originally used to the desert of California. You were born in France? How funny! You are no longer in that country though, right? Like me!
My birthright in France (champagne region).

Bluesma: Well, there you go. In the shared reality of this earth and the landmasses on it, which we both acknowledge, we have found some interesting things we have in common, and some things we can relate on.
...
Oddball location or an affiliation of soul connect.

Bluesma: It's a funny sort of irony that so many look for the universal truths that will pull us together in the spiritual and mental realms, when actually, physics and the sciences, our sensual experiences, are the only guarantee of universal comprehension. One can even communicate with animals upon sensual experience and sensual memory

Universal truths, "MY BIG TOE" published by Tom Campbell "The Theory of Everything" explains everything other than a God aspect.
That's is where a real relationship lies. The sublimation of this reality is an exercise in self consciousness, not consciousness o fanother. Interpretation and any meaning behind direct experiences is subjective.


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posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

im gonna try to put this in context; My dog makes me happy he shows nothing but love, my girlfriend is happy, my mother is a believer of Christ, my dad believes in Aliens, my brother believes in spirituality.. The truth is subjective, there is none, the truth about us, we are humans.. we act and feel like primates.. You will feel like you have the right questions, just like you friend who doesnt care or thinks otherwise..

A freemason named August believes in Cthulu, an Israeli named DISRAEL believes in the old scriptures, Tom Cruise belives in Aliens.. All of them will say my faith is the truth..

The only one who actually is normal out of everyone of them is my dog, its a storyline, or a timeline if you wanna call it that way.. Those who knows and understand, takes their bag and leaves for nature where there are a few humans around.. What you learn is adaptation to your surrounding, West, East, Africa, Asia.. The truth is a definition or survival and obligation towards society..

nothing is complicated, but yet everyone makes it complicated...



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

It actually is possible to speak without having to iterate the "truth" when truth is seen as what defeats lies.

If a person has not lied, there is no truth to get from them.

... They would speak in matter of fact.

A brick wall to the sensitive heart of course, however it would be interesting when we could observe two brick walls together.



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