Here's Why so Many People Like Bernie

originally posted by: Imightknow
a reply to: neo96

You may be correct, but also doesn't matter in regards to the shift in perception of Americans and who they want leading them.

Perception is the operative word there.

See because that is what American Politics is all about.

PERCEPTION which has absolutely nothing to do with TRUTH, or FACTS.

But a tale spun to get X elected because they are supposedly better than Y.

Which is the entire practical aim of American Politics.

As Menchen said so many YEARS ago.

When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. Baltimore Sun (26 July 1920)

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The only TRUTH one will find in American Politics.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
We don't need a 74 year old socialist in office to vote out the corrupt politicians in the House and Senate.

Yeah because he could die of a 'heart attack' like Scalia!

Old people can kick the bucket 'whenever'.

originally posted by: Imightknow
a reply to: BrianFlanders

I see that you completely ignored the heart of the OP, which was people having enough of corrupt, puppet politicians who are bought and paid for by interests with a lot of $$$ and an agenda.

Most Americans are quite ignorant and don't even understand the true meaning of Socialism; these are the ones who get their news from CNN and FOX lol.

Well you are right about most Americans not knowing what socialism really is. Only 16% of Bernie supporters understand that the true definition of socialism is government owned means of production, not just a "generous social safety net" which is what a lot of them think it means (free stuff).

However, I would argue that most of those do not get their news from either CNN or FOX. They are likely getting it from Comedy Central.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

I will reiterate again this really isn't about Bernie or Socialism, but you can keep making about that if you want.


A great mindset shift is occurring where people want something different, not the same old trash. Yes, Bernie is a socialist. No, he won't change the USA to socialism if he gets elected, way too many roadblocks.

This post is about seeing that new voters and even old voters want candidates who aren't afraid to tell it like it is. Calling out the Wall St cartels is necessary, as is calling out all the other shenanigans as well.

originally posted by: olaru12
I'm voting for Bernie because i'm much more afraid of Right Wing fascism espoused by Rush, Savage and Beck than the
socialist-lite that Sanders brings.

Funny how Sanders sounds an aweful lot like THIS FASCIST.

a reply to: DBCowboy

If you think one of the two idiot parties can do it you are sorely mistaken. We need to get away from a two party corrupt system for real changes to start taking shape.

a reply to: neo96

True....

Bernie has the perception of caring about the people.

The Republicans perception is that they care more about their neocon corporate masters.

The GOP loves the tough guy perception they try and convey but it will keep them in the role of loser they seem to be comfortable in.

The sooner the Right learns that the electorate is basically moderate; then perhaps they can shake the loser image.

a reply to: Imightknow

Last I checked, the president has no say in who does or does not get elected to congress although I'm sure Obama wished that he did.

originally posted by: Imightknow
a reply to: DBCowboy

If you think one of the two idiot parties can do it you are sorely mistaken. We need to get away from a two party corrupt system for real changes to start taking shape.

Nope.

I say, just so we don't leave anyone out and hurt feelings, we KICK OUT EVERYONE!

There's an even simpler reason too: his proposed policies address our concerns. We're not expecting a Savior or Superman; we just want someone who's going to actually fight for our wants & needs. We're tired of politicians constantly telling us our concerns are overblown and that we should keep waiting for minor "upgrades" to a crappy system.

I've said this time & again, but the Democratic Party is not a left wing political party. It's a center right party. It's powerbrokers and national leaders are neoliberals, which has nothing to do with social "liberalism". They always take the left wing for granted & willingly suppress our interests (one method is called "triangulating").

I don't expect Bernie to fulfill all of his proposals. And I have a personal list of concerns about a proposed Sanders administration (which I'll keep to myself for now). But in the very least, I believe he will actually try to achieve these things. That's all a lot of people want. We want someone in there who's going to fight for us, win or lose. Otherwise, we're stuck with an entire organization that only sees us as cattle, cash crops, and disposable pawns. Screw that.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: schuyler


I've got one of the DUMBEST Senators on record, Patty Murray. She has no qualifications to be a senator. She falls asleep in meetings. She's a predicatable disgrace, but when it comes to the ballot box, she's stronger now than ever.

Sounds like you should run against her.
Or find someone who can beat her that you like more and then dive in.

Excuse me. Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought you said "The Plan" was to vote all of them out. So now your response is that I should run against her??? If THAT'S your idea of "The Plan," I wouldn't count on it working.

originally posted by: Imightknow
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

YES!! This is the shift that has started!


The people who are scared the most by this are Republicans, but what most Republicans don't realize is that it's not 1950 anymore and MOST Americans under the age of 45 don't care about fake religions anymore and want a separation of church and state. They also want representatives who can give a big middle finger to people trying to buy them.

Actually, in the 50s religion wasn't a big player on the political scene. It wasn't until the late 1970s , when Jerry Fallwell and his Moral Majority started making noise, that religious nuts came to be associated with party politics. Barry Goldwater warned the GOP elite that if the religious nuts got a foothold in the party that it would spell doom. He was certainly dead on, in retrospect.

a reply to: Imightknow

This thread is not about supporting Bernie or socialism or any of his views; it's about acknowledging that a change is finally occurring after being LONG overdue. Hillary and all the GOP candidates are puppets and don't give two sh@ts about the American people, all they care about is playing their game and making their $$ and power.

Bernie is a long-time politician...but not a puppet?

He's a demagogue, pure and simple. That's why people like him.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Bernie admits he's a socialist he's not hiding it.

He wants to have socialist or socialist type policies, there's no secret to that

a reply to: ketsuko

Of course the president has no say in that. The point trying to be made was if Bernie got elected, the people who usually pay no attention to the election of senators and congressmen would start taking more of an active role to get those archaic dinosaurs out of DC; because those scoundrels are the reason we can't get ourselves out of this two party system of selling ourselves to the highest bidder.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Imightknow

Last I checked, the president has no say in who does or does not get elected to congress although I'm sure Obama wished that he did.

Nope.

Bernie, single-handed, will kick out corrupt congressmen, end the Fed, break big business, raise taxes, make school and medicine free for everyone, shoot lasers out of his colostomy bag, and beat up Putin.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: olaru12
I'm voting for Bernie because i'm much more afraid of Right Wing fascism espoused by Rush, Savage and Beck than the
socialist-lite that Sanders brings.

Funny how Sanders sounds an aweful lot like THIS FASCIST.

What's even funnier is that some people in America's right wing still support Hitler to this day. LOL You compare Bernie to Hitler, but actual Neo-Nazis support the right wing. Even some right wingers on ATS have openly supported or sympathized with Hitler. So is this like some secret code to say the right wing should actually support Bernie? Or are we suppose to ignore the actual Neo-Nazis on the right wing?

You don't need Bernie to end corruption.

If you aren't smart enough to realize that all politicians are crooked, then you deserve the politician you get.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Imightknow

This thread is not about supporting Bernie or socialism or any of his views; it's about acknowledging that a change is finally occurring after being LONG overdue. Hillary and all the GOP candidates are puppets and don't give two sh@ts about the American people, all they care about is playing their game and making their $$ and power.

Bernie is a long-time politician...but not a puppet?

He's a demagogue, pure and simple. That's why people like him.

He's shown time and time again that he's not afraid to take a stand against big money and big money's influence. Anyone who has been in politics in this country as long as him surely has to play the game a little bit. Not sure if that's what I would call a puppet though.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
You don't need Bernie to end corruption.

If you aren't smart enough to realize that all politicians are crooked, then you deserve the politician you get.

I wish that was the case. Unfortunately, independent thought is stripped away from Americans in school ( all levels ) and church, so I would argue that we do in fact need a leader.