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Here's Why so Many People Like Bernie

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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: jstony123
Bernie has been a politician for forty years and it seems to me if he really wanted to make a difference he would have done it by now. I will vote for him if he promises to not run for office for a second term. Better yet, if he doesn't make good on all of his promises in his first term he should refuse to run for a second term. If he made this promise today he would have my vote



I guess you haven't educated yourself on the numerous bills that Bernie has put through. He is one of veterans' biggest supporters in DC.




posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: Malynn
a reply to: Indigo5

Hey I couldn't agree more. I'm arguing FOR socialism up in here. Perhaps you should read my posts.


Yep...and my bad. Apologies. I responded without thoroughly reading your post.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: Malynn
a reply to: TheTory

Now you're being not only willfully dishonest but obtuse as well. This has been fun. Left with no avenue of progress all you've got left is semantics?What's next? Grammar? Spelling?



In other words you can prove no such thing, and your doublespeak crumbles on the bed of lies it was founded on. Don't worry; propaganda has an alluring effect. Many people are duped by it.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: TheTory

originally posted by: Malynn
a reply to: TheTory

Now you're being not only willfully dishonest but obtuse as well. This has been fun. Left with no avenue of progress all you've got left is semantics?What's next? Grammar? Spelling?



In other words you can prove no such thing, and your doublespeak crumbles on the bed of lies it was founded on. Don't worry; propaganda has an alluring effect. Many people are duped by it.


It's funny you say that, considering that your understanding of socialism and it's historical context is informed by propaganda and lies.

Wish to go back and review your "body count" comments?

Don't be a hypocrite.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: TheTory

PROVE WHAT??!? That Universal Healthcare is a socialist program? I don't need to as everyone who has two brain cells to rub together knows that it is! I'm not a history professor who can rattle off the names and dates of the birth of socialism or universal healthcare. But I don't need to be. Because like language political ideologies change and grow over time. They adopt the good ideas of others or prune those which weren't so good in the first place. Regardless of where it started it is NOW and has been for a long time an idea and program that falls under the umbrella of socialism.

You don't have a toothpick to stand on in this thread. What else have you got?



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Malynn

Sorry, but no. A conservative wants to build people up to stand on their own.

Liberals want to take from those who do, and give to those who wont.

I am all for local communities helping those who are trully in need. I can not condone giving to those who wont try.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: theatreboy

Can you provide some statistics that show there is a problem in America of a high number of people "that wont"?



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: Malynn

Universal healthcare apisn't a socialist programs, and anyone who isn't a socialist or an American knows that. Yes, it helps to know a little history. You might also understand what a vast failure socialism has been throughout the world in the past, instead of spreading more lies.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: theatreboy

Wait, doesn't that mean that tuition-free college is the most Conservative thing in the world then? You're building people up to stand on their own (education is never bad), and to go to the college (and pass the courses) definitely requires people who "do."

Single-Payer healthcare has nothing to do with "dos" or "won'ts", it has to do with sick people, so conservatives should be fine with it. (Actually, supportive of it, since it is the most fiscally responsible/cost-effective measure.)



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: TheTory



You might also understand what a vast failure socialism has been throughout the world in the past, instead of spreading more lies.


Has the US military been a failure?

How about the interstate highway system?

Those are both socialist programs. If you are an American, have you not benefited from those socialist ideas?



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: theatreboy

See that's (another place) where you're wrong. A conservative looks at a person who has nothing and ASSumes that the person deserves to have nothing. Obviously that person is a "lazy do nothing" that deserves what they get. A conservative looks at a wealthy person and assumes that person is a hard working individual who earned everything they have.

A liberal looks at both of those people and knows you can't judge a book by its cover. They also know that everyone deserves a fair shot and opportunity, and with things standing as they are that is not what's happening. The wealthy have every opportunity to succeed in this country. We want EVERYONE to have that opportunity.

For example my husband was raised by a VERY poor single mother in a very small town in the country. In America that would have made his chance of success very very small. And if he had been able to succeed it would have been under a life crushing mantle of debt. But because my husband grew up in Finland he was able to seize the opportunities available to ALL to get his PHD, debt free, and be a homeowner in his early twenties. That would have in NO way been possible here.

I care about my fellow American citizens. All of them. And the miniscule tiny fraction of people who would game the system is a price worth paying for all the geniuses we can lift up from poverty and educate to make our planet better.
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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: TheTory

See I do know history. Favourite subject in school actually. And there is that willful dishonesty you're so adept at. Pure socialism has never been attempted. The totalitarian forms of socialism that have been attempted haven't gone well at all. But the SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES, which is what YOU KNOW everyone in this thread is supporting are doing very well. I already asked you to name one social democracy that has failed and you can't.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Imightknow

They like him because people love Santa Clause. Especially one giving away self titled "free" stuff.




The problem with this is that it is way to broad. Are there people in this country that are lazy and want things for free? Absolutely. Is that everyone? Absolutely not.

It's sad that people have a hard time seeing more then one angle of an issue, all it shows is narrow-mindedness and an inability to see past the tip of one's nose.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: Imightknow

Or past their own paycheck.

I earned my money, not anyone else. Regardless if they are lazy or not, they have no right to what I earned.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: macman

This is the worst argument conservatives have.

Corporations manipulate stocks, economies, they buy politicians, created legislation that benefits them, receive subsidies. A ceo who lied, slept, killed, cheated, or inherited his way to the top is deemed ten thousand times the worth of those doing the actual work.

That ceo, those company owners did not do a fair days work. Period..



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Ahhh the evil CEO pincushion.

I know many many CEOs that have earned their way to what they have.

So, what about those good CEOs? Guess you want the same punishment for them as well.
And who holds this high moral court to determine such things? Maybe Bernie can be the high pontiff of this Kangaroo Court.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: macman

You know several people worth hundreds of millions? Smells like a lie though neither of us can prove it.

Whenever most people bring up entrepreneurs and business owners and the like, they bring up the type I fully support and hope legislation is passed to help their business grow. I am talking Walmart, big oil, big pharma, big agriculture companies... I'm talking billionaires that I am almost sure you do not know.

Goldman Sachs and the Koch brothers and the like would not spend hundreds of millions on candidates if they didn't benefit from it in major ways.

If you actually do know the Koch brothers, my apologies for calling you a liar.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Ohhhh, so I can't know people worth this?? Sure sure.



And now we see that YOU get to draw the dividing line as to what is the bad CEO and the good CEO.

You by default, while throwing Koch and Walmart owner under the evil bus, will obviously include people like John Kerry, Bill Gates, George Soros, the Clintons, Al Gore and numerous others that are billionaires that influence laws/legislation due to their wealth.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: macman

I would actually advocate an "eye for an eye" method of seeking out corrupt, rich people.

Go through a huge process, have plenty of people observe the evidence, etc..

Then, if found guilty of the highest forms of corruption, take every penny of their fortune because they did not earn it.

And leave the other, honest people, better off.

No, I'm not saying I would be the judge and the jury. It would definitely be a process, but the results are the thing that I deem to be worth it.
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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

That is the worst argument conservatives have! For many reasons. I remember when they lost their minds when Obama used the phrase "you didn't build that". Because God knows they built everything themselves from the ground up!

They built their businesses without help from banks or investors. They themselves constructed the premises brick by brick with their bare hands! They built the roads customers travel to get to their business, they remove the snow in the winter, clean the offices, and they have no employees they do it all themselves!

Spare me. Any business owner who would argue for the fact that the people who helped make their success possible don't deserve dignity and to make a decent living is a monster.




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