Here's Why so Many People Like Bernie

a reply to: TheTory

Now you're being not only willfully dishonest but obtuse as well. This has been fun. Left with no avenue of progress all you've got left is semantics?What's next? Grammar? Spelling?

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Nevermind that McCarthy was actually right about almost everything.

It's terrifying that as of this moment you have the most stars in this thread.

I have a theory called "Game Reset". You can all TM me on this now.

What this means is when the young generation wants the game of life to reset so we all can start out again at level 1 like they are now. Some of us that been playing the game for decades have our top armor and equipment from many hours of place, but they do not want to enter the game at level one seeing so many level 50s running around, it just not fair.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Lol!

I'll give you credit for creativity but not on substance.

a reply to: Xtrozero

As onequestion said, points for creativity but your analogy is grasping at straws.

"Young people are entitled."
"Socialism is evil."

These are the only arguments you guys ever really seem to make. This falls under category one.

To continue with your "example", the young people couldn't really care less about you old farts running around at level 50, what they care about is all those people who've used hacks and console commands to set their level to... Well, if we base it off wealth, and $500,000 is equivalent to say, level 40, then Trump would be... Level 320,000. =)

You can all blame yourselves for what is happening now. Young people have been taught that in this world there are the "winners" and "losers", and have come to realise that by default they are "losers" and becoming a "winner" is essentially a dice roll that they can only mildly influence at best, so they want to break the system. Because the system is rigged. Because the system is stupid. And no, I don't mean making America Communist like you'll probably assume.

I personally, and I believe I speak for most others here as well, couldn't give a rats ass about your seventy year old retiree with a net worth of 1.2 million.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Game resets are a crucial part of many games. Ladder seasons for instance ensure that newer players can start new with older players - sure, older players will likely level faster and get places quickest, but this ensures that everyone is equal, followed by inequality based on effort and time spent playing.

Kids born 20 years ago do not have the same exact opportunities as a 50 year old did 30 years ago. Something needs to be done to tip the economy in favor of small business owners and decent politicians.... I'm not saying I know what that something is.

Bernie has been a politician for forty years and it seems to me if he really wanted to make a difference he would have done it by now. I will vote for him if he promises to not run for office for a second term. Better yet, if he doesn't make good on all of his promises in his first term he should refuse to run for a second term. If he made this promise today he would have my vote

He's actually done a lot over his years in office. You should look into it instead of just assuming something incorrectly.

You can start here: Bernie Sanders, What the Hell Have You Done for Us Lately?

Here's why so many people like Bernie: Low-information voters who have little understanding of economics, entitlement brat generation that thinks everything should be handed to them and that hard work is a thing of the past.

a reply to: EyeKyu

As a Trump supporter I'm sure you're qualified to make such a broad statement without having to question it. Right??

Because at first glance it sure does look like the opinion of a bitter old person who's been beaten down by a life of making mistakes and who takes some kind of undeserved comfort in blaming the next generation.

originally posted by: EyeKyu
Here's why so many people like Bernie: Low-information voters who have little understanding of economics, entitlement brat generation that thinks everything should be handed to them and that hard work is a thing of the past.

Ok so if you are a high-info voter and belong to the free-stuff-barkers Im sure you can answer my question:

originally posted by: whatsup86

Free stuff?? Explain to me how is it free if people pay more taxes? A really small group that needs it gets things free, the rest pay more taxes and get a better country for it in return.

You know who will be getting things free: veterans, disabled persons, chronically ill, people that lose their jobs. But they wont because apparantly thats un-American and these are lazy people, according to you. No wonder youre not taken serious.

Also explain how you are high info and I am low info. Since I see all the free-stuff-barkers only mention that there will be more free social services, without mentioning they arent free at all, since more taxes are being paid...

Seems like youre the ones leaving out information, Im assuming information you dont possess; thus being the one with less information. And otherwise it equals to spreading propaganda for your own interests, delibaretely leaving information out that nullifies your point.

So answer me those questions please.

originally posted by: jstony123
Bernie has been a politician for forty years and it seems to me if he really wanted to make a difference he would have done it by now. I will vote for him if he promises to not run for office for a second term. Better yet, if he doesn't make good on all of his promises in his first term he should refuse to run for a second term. If he made this promise today he would have my vote

Another post that makes clear who are the actual low-information-voters. Deny it all you want.

You know what's incredibly, utterly hilarious?

Rhetoric aside, Trump's actually... Pretty damn liberal.

originally posted by: whatsup86

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Imightknow
a reply to: BrianFlanders

I see that you completely ignored the heart of the OP, which was people having enough of corrupt, puppet politicians who are bought and paid for by interests with a lot of $$$ and an agenda.

Most Americans are quite ignorant and don't even understand the true meaning of Socialism; these are the ones who get their news from CNN and FOX lol.

Well you are right about most Americans not knowing what socialism really is. Only 16% of Bernie supporters understand that the true definition of socialism is government owned means of production, not just a "generous social safety net" which is what a lot of them think it means (free stuff).

However, I would argue that most of those do not get their news from either CNN or FOX. They are likely getting it from Comedy Central.

Free stuff?? Explain to me how is it free if people pay more taxes? A really small group that needs it gets things free, the rest pay more taxes and get a better country for it in return.

You know who will be getting things free: veterans, disabled persons, chronically ill, people that lose their jobs. But they wont because apparantly thats un-American and these are lazy people, according to you. No wonder youre not taken serious.

Well said.

They can't even get their anti-socialism attacks straight. Sometimes they claim that socialist policies would make everyone lazy, while simultaneously saying it would force communist-styled slave labor on citizens. Then they say we just want free things while admitting we'll all pay more in taxes. Then they say socialism will bankrupt the country, while ignoring the crushing debt our country already has and the constant financial collapses caused by excessive capitalism (like the 1987 Savings & Loans collapse, the 2000 Dotcom crash, and the 2008 financial crisis).

Then they wonder why the younger generations both ignore their "warnings" and want a change in economic policies.

a reply to: Malynn

As i am union...i dont pay for my healthcare, the union does....through MY hard work and contributions. If i dont work, i lose it.

And yes, even being union, i am against him....work will dry up under his policies.

a reply to: whatsup86

Bernie got elected for the first time in 2006....

a reply to: theatreboy

As an independent, he was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont's most populous city, in 1981, and was reelected three times. In 1990, he was elected to represent Vermont's at-large congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives. In 1991, Sanders co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus. He served as a congressman for 16 years before being elected to the U.S. Senate in 2006. In 2012, he was reelected with 71% of the popular vote.

From the 2nd paragraph of his wikipedia page. (here)

a reply to: theatreboy

Yeah. And with socialized medicine its paid for by all our hard work and nobody gets left out. But that's the major difference between conservative and liberal isn't it? Compassion. As long as you and yours got yours # everyone else right?

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Imightknow

This is one of the main messages people are missing when I post about Bernie. It's a shift, it's a change, it's a message that we are tired of how things are.

I've never once posted "I love all of bernies ideas and worship the guy"

People respond to me as if that's my mentality on the issue.

My mentality on the issue is that Bernie having any amount of popularity is sending a message. A message that we are fed up with our government and their backers.

I would love if this guy got in, Congress and Senate were changed out, and things really changed. No I don't need free college or Healthcare, people seem to think I have my own agenda when my vote is going to this guy.

My biggest wish is that America wakes up and takes a stand against those that they have never believed they could stand up against. In my mind, Sanders is the mascot for such a movement.

Not his exact policies, but his "stick it to the man" anti bank, anti super pac, anti corporate corruption stances.

Nice to see some others do get it It's about the shift in people's awareness, not Bernie's policies.

originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: whatsup86

Bernie got elected for the first time in 2006....

There is that informaton rearing its head again.