The Dirty Dozen

Does this scare the crap out of anybody else besides myself?

www.truthout.org...
Washington - With no fanfare, the U.S. House has passed a controversial doomsday provision that would allow a handful of lawmakers to run Congress if a terrorist attack or major disaster killed or incapacitated large numbers of congressmen....
GOP House leaders pushed the provision as part of a larger rules package that drew attention instead for its proposed ethics changes, most of which were dropped....
Usually, 218 lawmakers - a majority of the 435 members of Congress - are required to conduct House business, such as passing laws or declaring war.
But under the new rule, a majority of living congressmen no longer will be needed to do business under "catastrophic circumstances."
Instead, a majority of the congressmen able to show up at the House would be enough to conduct business, conceivably a dozen lawmakers or less.
The House speaker would announce the number after a report by the House Sergeant at Arms. Any lawmaker unable to make it to the chamber would effectively not be counted as a congressman.
The circumstances include "natural disaster, attack, contagion or similar calamity rendering Representatives incapable of attending the proceedings of the House."

A dozen or less? Odd they attached this to an 'ethics' bill. This is a power grab IMO, one of terrible implications. When 9-11 was taking place, a similar system became known to already exsist, mot congressmen had no idea the government would be seized in the event of catastrophe. Now, it seems as though it is law. Riechstag anyone?

There are two ways of looking at it.

1) If the government is wiped out say an attack at the State of the Union where you have just about everybody in one place (I belive that the U.S. keeps the sucsessor to the Looking Glass plane airborne and on alert for this. Somebody would need to take controll.

2) The shadow government may (Im not 100% its as all incompasing as people think) simply take over in the event of a huge even like this at any rate regardless of what a few congressmen want to do.

why would anybody pass a 'doomsday' plan?

because they know that "something will happen".

The circumstances include "natural disaster, attack, contagion or similar calamity rendering Representatives incapable of attending the proceedings of the House."

i think somebody is preparing for a serious situation....

[edit on 10-1-2005 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Souljah
why would anybody pass a 'doomsday' plan?

No, that falls under ligit government activities. Its a double edged sword this stuff is well withing the boundries to ensure that the government can funtion in the event of any scenario.

For example the Bunker under the Greenbriar resort, or Mt. Weather and the like. FEMA for all the vilification it recives has to to plan for disasters and the like.

Perhaps this is not necessarily a good idea. Considering their powers are supposed to be high, in fact within such a scenario their powers are actually substantively weak. It could invite such a disaster to have such rules, but they only apply within the Congress itself. One could imagine a scenario of perpetrators who would shoehorn themselves into such a catastrophe, just for the sake of powers which as stated before would actually be extremely weak. It could invite facists and extremists who would actually instigate such a thing, but find themselves to be more like the bookworm from the twilight zone who survived a nuclear war with masses of books. His fate was that his glasses broke. In much the same way they would discover themselves only powerful inside their own minds, with no one cooperating.

Originally posted by SkipShipman
Perhaps this is not necessarily a good idea. Considering their powers are supposed to be high, in fact within such a scenario their powers are actually substantively weak. It could invite such a disaster to have such rules, but they only apply within the Congress itself. One could imagine a scenario of perpetrators who would shoehorn themselves into such a catastrophe, just for the sake of powers which as stated before would actually be extremely weak. It could invite facists and extremists who would actually instigate such a thing, but find themselves to be more like the bookworm from the twilight zone who survived a nuclear war with masses of books. His fate was that his glasses broke. In much the same way they would discover themselves only powerful inside their own minds, with no one cooperating.

My thoughts exactly. What were they thinking? this is some new world order...stuff.


[edit on 10-1-2005 by Ohgr]

Originally posted by SkipShipman
Perhaps this is not necessarily a good idea. Considering their powers are supposed to be high, in fact within such a scenario their powers are actually substantively weak. It could invite such a disaster to have such rules, but they only apply within the Congress itself. One could imagine a scenario of perpetrators who would shoehorn themselves into such a catastrophe, just for the sake of powers which as stated before would actually be extremely weak. It could invite facists and extremists who would actually instigate such a thing, but find themselves to be more like the bookworm from the twilight zone who survived a nuclear war with masses of books. His fate was that his glasses broke. In much the same way they would discover themselves only powerful inside their own minds, with no one cooperating.

great post SkipShipman.


i couldnt agree more with you!
this "powers" created by this act, could seriously "attract" some extremists or other "power mongers" which would have profit from such a situation, which this act is trying to prevent.

Originally posted by Souljah

this "powers" created by this act, could seriously "attract" some extremists or other "power mongers" which would have profit from such a situation, which this act is trying to prevent.

Hmmm. Contradictions aside - looks like the NWO has one more piece in place. Heil Dubbya.



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[edit on 10-1-2005 by soficrow]

And I as well believe they know something. Planning for something. They know something is coming.

There is just too much of this stuff going on. The military excercises this summer ... the whole navy put out to sea ... they pretty much admited it was to see if they could do it - expensive exparament, unless you have a reason to do it. All the other countries were at it too.

All we need is one more major catastrophy and I'll personally be ready to head for the hills, mind you.. that might be too late at that point.

This is more to add to the horror backdrop, more bogieman tactics night of the walking dead "they gonna git ya"ambiance this government wants.

Now, what precisely is the suggestion as to what to do instead of this? I think that, if the Founders had considered it as a reasonable possibility, that they'd've made a law similar to this.

THere has to be continuation of government. What is the government supposed to do while waiting for the elections? Also, the governors will be appointing lots of replacement congressmen in the meanwhile, so this 'handful' will quickly expand.

THere is currently a law/regulation/rule of order that states that congress and its houses requirea quorum in order to do certain things, like discuss, vote, debate, try, and even open and convene sessions of congress. This law apparently takes into consideration that there is a real threat that there might not be a quorum of congressmen at some point. Who would rerout funding to deal with the crisis? And a crisis it would have to be if something so terrible happened that that many congressmen were killed, iow it wouldn't merely be that one attack. Who would confirm cabinet secretaries that needed to be replaced? Who would pass laws to close borders and order drug corps nad industry in general to mobilize for whatever emergency might come up?

SO what is supposed to be done then?

Instead of people getting nutty over the law, would it not be better to demand that it not be able to do things like ammend the constitution and such?

why would anybody pass a 'doomsday' plan?

Because they want to prepare for a terrible but plausible possibility?

because they know that "something will happen".

You are suggesting that the congressmen who voted for it are aware that they are about to be killed in a mass terror attack?


[edit on 10-1-2005 by Nygdan]