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"Having thus taken each citizen in turn in its powerful embrace and shaped him to its will, government then extends its embrace to include the whole of society. It covers the whole of social life with a network of petty, complicated rules that are both minute and uniform … . It does not break men’s will, but softens, bends, and guides it; it seldom enjoins, but often inhibits, actions; it does not destroy anything, but prevents much being born; it is not at all tyrannical, but it hinders, restrains, enervates, stifles, and stultifies so much that in the end each nation is no more than a flock of timid and hardworking animals with the government as its shepherd.”
“Capitalism” is a word coined by Karl Marx, intended from the beginning to imply that the only thing conservatives defend is vast accumulations of private capital
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: ExNihiloRed
“Capitalism” is a word coined by Karl Marx, intended from the beginning to imply that the only thing conservatives defend is vast accumulations of private capital
The etymology of the word capitalism goes decades before Karl Marx was born. Karl Marx yes was a critic of capitalism but he did not, I repeat not coin the term.
Don't miss the point of my post. It was to articulate a common misconception of conservative thinking by outlining certain underlying tenets. Coining, in my opinion, does not necessarily mean inventing, but rather using to serve a purpose. In Marx's case, to emphasize what he believed as an "evil" perpetuated by conservative thinking.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: ExNihiloRed
Don't miss the point of my post. It was to articulate a common misconception of conservative thinking by outlining certain underlying tenets. Coining, in my opinion, does not necessarily mean inventing, but rather using to serve a purpose. In Marx's case, to emphasize what he believed as an "evil" perpetuated by conservative thinking.
I did not mean to drift away from your OP's intended purpose, I think if your going to educate people about the ideology of conservatism you shouldn't start with a erroneous assertion.
Everything else you stated is spot on.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: ExNihiloRed
I like your key principles. While I agree that Conservatism is the appropriate term for the concervation of our rights, these days it has come to mean GOP...which is disappointing. For that reason, I am more Libertarian than Neo-conservative.
originally posted by: ExNihiloRed
What is Conservatism?
Conservatism is not simply the concern of people who have property and influence. It is not the defense of privilege and status.
Rather they have (and strive for) liberty, security of person and home, equal protection of the laws, the right to the fruits of their industry, and opportunity to do the best that is in them. Conservative principles shelter the hopes of everyone in society.
Centralization is Dangerous
Power is full of danger; therefore, the good state is one in which power is checked and balanced, restricted by sound constitutions and customs. So far as possible, political power ought to be kept in the hands of private persons and local institutions. Centralization is ordinarily a sign of social decadence. This is the essence of the desire for a small federal government.
True Community, Not Collectivism
Modern society urgently needs true community, and true community is a world away from collectivism. Real community is governed by love and charity, not by compulsion. Through churches, voluntary associations, local governments, and a variety of institutions, conservatives strive to keep community healthy. Conservatives are not selfish, but public-spirited. They know that collectivism means the end of real community, substituting uniformity for variety and force for willing cooperation.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: ExNihiloRed
I like your key principles. While I agree that Conservatism is the appropriate term for the concervation of our rights, these days it has come to mean GOP...which is disappointing. For that reason, I am more Libertarian than Neo-conservative.
This is a tragedy. Anyone who is actually paying attention should realize that establishment/mainstream/cocktail Republicans != Conservatives.
originally posted by: daskakik
Actually, conservatism applies to any idea that seeks to maintain the status quo. That means that a conservative can be against every point you made if it goes against the status quo.
I'm pretty sure you meant american conservatives but that is a specific application of the term.
In fact, taking into account historical lessons and believing in slow, methodical change as opposed to radicalism is not necessarily "maintaining the status quo."
originally posted by: ExNihiloRed
The point of my post was to shed light on the underlying tenets of conservatism beyond the dictionary definition of the word. Webster's definition of "conservatism" or "conservative" is different, in my view, than the political and ideological meaning of conservatism/conservative as it has developed over time. You're focusing on the former, I'm focusing on the latter.
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: ExNihiloRed
The point of my post was to shed light on the underlying tenets of conservatism beyond the dictionary definition of the word. Webster's definition of "conservatism" or "conservative" is different, in my view, than the political and ideological meaning of conservatism/conservative as it has developed over time. You're focusing on the former, I'm focusing on the latter.
You can't say that "american conservatives" believe XY and Z when many of them don't.
Logically if they can toss any of your tenets to the side and still be considered conservative then that tenet is not a core value of the ideal.
All I see is you trying to reclaim the term. That is why, instead of trying to see which way things are spun, I prefere to stay with the dictionary definition.
This post does in a way reflect my personal thoughts on the direction of the modern conservative. To the extent that direction leads away from stark conservatism and towards more moderate views, then perhaps the term needs adapting or refining (at least as applied in the American political climate). Some have argued that black and white ideologies may be no better than an extremist's views. With that said, I want to highlight some underlying tenets of conservatism that are misunderstood or overlooked. These tenets are ones, in my opinion, that should form the foundation of the political ideology that our country embraces moving forward.