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The Death of Scalia and the Resulting Political Furor over His Replacement.

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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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The US election has taken an ominous twist with the untimely passing of Chief Justice Scalia. The Republican majority are telling Obama to 'back off' putting forward a nominee until after the election because, I believe, they enjoyed the majority of conservative minded justices on the Supreme Court and, if Obama proposes a 'Progressive', well, that "aint gonna fly".

Which is interesting, since they ALL profess Christianity in their hearts.

But, let's have a look at this, because I think there might be a problem:


If, as Christians believe, Jesus Christ someday reappears, strolling down from Bethany toward Jerusalem's Golden Gate, conservative Americans would probably hail him as a Republican, but on reflection, not really fit to serve on the Supreme Court.

He might not be enthusiastic enough about guns, his ideas on wealth redistribution are just plain socialism, he likely wouldn't be keen on injecting criminals with lethal chemicals, he'd no doubt urge clemency for all the millions of illegal immigrants doing America's scut work and, as a Jew, he might even have a compromise(d) view of abortion.
Sure, he'd allow prayer in schools, but really, do conservatives nowadays want a compromise candidate for Supreme Court justice?


www.cbc.ca...

That's one Helluva good question. WWJD in the SCOTUS?

Before you tag me as a Democrat... stop. For one thing, neither myself, nor Neil MacDonald (the author of the above) are Americans. We are, however, interested in how the elephants and mules down south of the border behave.

It is also interesting to me how closely the teachings of Jesus apply to those who call themselves Christians.

For instance, I'm not sure about anyone in the race, aside from Bernie Sanders, who truly represents the social structures that Jesus calls for.

I put this in the Mud Pit so that you can call my ideas nuts... go all Trump or Ted on me.




posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: masqua
The US election has taken an ominous twist with the untimely passing of Chief Justice Scalia. The Republican majority are telling Obama to 'back off' putting forward a nominee until after the election because, I believe, they enjoyed the majority of conservative minded justices on the Supreme Court and, if Obama proposes a 'Progressive', well, that "aint gonna fly".

Which is interesting, since they ALL profess Christianity in their hearts.

But, let's have a look at this, because I think there might be a problem:


If, as Christians believe, Jesus Christ someday reappears, strolling down from Bethany toward Jerusalem's Golden Gate, conservative Americans would probably hail him as a Republican, but on reflection, not really fit to serve on the Supreme Court.

He might not be enthusiastic enough about guns, his ideas on wealth redistribution are just plain socialism, he likely wouldn't be keen on injecting criminals with lethal chemicals, he'd no doubt urge clemency for all the millions of illegal immigrants doing America's scut work and, as a Jew, he might even have a compromise(d) view of abortion.
Sure, he'd allow prayer in schools, but really, do conservatives nowadays want a compromise candidate for Supreme Court justice?


www.cbc.ca...

That's one Helluva good question. WWJD in the SCOTUS?

Before you tag me as a Democrat... stop. For one thing, neither myself, nor Neil MacDonald (the author of the above) are Americans. We are, however, interested in how the elephants and mules down south of the border behave.

It is also interesting to me how closely the teachings of Jesus apply to those who call themselves Christians.

For instance, I'm not sure about anyone in the race, aside from Bernie Sanders, who truly represents the social structures that Jesus calls for.

I put this in the Mud Pit so that you can call my ideas nuts... go all Trump or Ted on me.



My question is "how did the name Christians come about"?



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 06:48 PM
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Sanders gaining steadily in the polls, the prospect of another liberal SC judge might just be to much for the dedicated right wing to stomach.






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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: masqua

Jesus Christ would be totally rejected by these American Christians.

He couldn't be elected dog catcher let alone a Jurist


I have already quoted numerous versus in the Bible that denounces the kind of mentality these " Christians" have towards the poor

They'd call him a communist, socialist, or bleeding heart liberal


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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 06:56 PM
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Amen! (or whatever you prefer)

Hell, I don't even think Reagan would make it further than Scott Walker did if he ran on the record that these GOP candidates drool over now. Unbelievable.

a reply to: Willtell



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: Willtell




I have already quoted numerous versus in the Bible that denounces the kind of mentality these " Christians" have towards the poor

They'd call him a communist, socialist, or bleeding heart liberal


I'm always entertained by the leaps in Biblical logic the Right Wing Christians use to turn Jesus into John Galt.




posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: masqua

Jesus Christ would be totally rejected by these American Christians.

He couldn't be elected dog catcher let alone a Jurist


But he would be allowed to say he and his father endorse Ted Cruz.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: masqua


It is also interesting to me how closely the teachings of Jesus apply to those who call themselves Christians.

For instance, I'm not sure about anyone in the race, aside from Bernie Sanders, who truly represents the social structures that Jesus calls for.

I put this in the Mud Pit so that you can call my ideas nuts... go all Trump or Ted on me.


Very cogent analysis of modern American Evangelical 'christianity' where lying, cheating, stealing and killing for "JESUS" is considered righteous behavior.

It's a form of 'christianity' promoted by The National Chamber of Commerce starting as early as the 1930s:

Refer to the book by Kevin Kruse "One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America"

And as to this 'disease' speading to other parts of the world See Jeff Sharit's "The Family"

A couple of quotes from and interview of Kevin Kruse:

From an NPR interview:



Kruse's book investigates how the idea of America as a Christian nation was promoted in the 1930s and '40s when industrialists and business lobbies, chafing against the government regulations of the New Deal, recruited and funded conservative clergy to preach faith, freedom and free enterprise. He says this conflation of Christianity and capitalism moved to center stage in the '50s under Eisenhower's watch.



Read that again!

www.npr.org...

Not only did "Faith, Hope and Charity" turn into "Faith, Hope and Love" but the whole "Under God" thing started then.

And this bit:



On the Rev. James Fifield

He takes over the pastorate at the First Congregational Church in Los Angeles, an elite church, literally ministering to millionaires in his pews. It's got some of the town's most wealthy citizens — the mayor attends service there, [Hollywood filmmaker] Cecil B. DeMille. He tells these millionaires what they want to hear, which is that their worldly success is a sign of heavenly blessing. He has a very loose approach to the Bible. He says that reading the Bible should be like eating fish: We take out the bones to enjoy the meat; all parts are not of equal value. Accordingly, he disregarded Christ's many injunctions about the dangers of wealth, and instead preached a philosophy that wedded capitalism to Christianity.



Also from the NY Times:



But the founding fathers didn’t create the ceremonies and slogans that come to mind when we consider whether this is a Christian nation. Our grandfathers did.

Back in the 1930s, business leaders found themselves on the defensive.

Their public prestige had plummeted with the Great Crash; their private businesses were under attack by Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal from above and labor from below.

To regain the upper hand, corporate leaders fought back on all fronts. They waged a figurative war in statehouses and, occasionally, a literal one in the streets; their campaigns extended from courts of law to the court of public opinion.

But nothing worked particularly well until they began an inspired public relations offensive that cast capitalism as the handmaiden of Christianity .


And - read closely here:



Accordingly, throughout the 1930s and ’40s, corporate leaders marketed a new ideology that combined elements of Christianity with an anti-federal libertarianism .

Powerful business lobbies like the United States Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers led the way, promoting this ideology’s appeal in conferences and P.R. campaigns.

Generous funding came from prominent businessmen, from household names like Harvey Firestone, Conrad Hilton, E. F. Hutton, Fred Maytag and Henry R. Luce to lesser-known leaders at U.S. Steel, General Motors and DuPont.



www.nytimes.com...

There you have the origins of 'american christianity'. This isn't to say that all Christians in America follow the all-mightly dollar in the name of 'Jesus' - but the loudest ones do. You see humility, charity, ministering to those in poverty and jails, cornerstones of Gospel Christianity are dirty words in 'american christianity.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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Both Parties in the House and Senate have been keeping very quiet during the Debate Season to not rock the boat.

However the replacement of a Supreme Court Justice means that they wont be able to keep their partisan bickering under control and they will BOTH start beaking off as they always do. Squabbling, threatening to do whatever they can to stop the process of Government, as they always do...

And this will remind the voters how much they hate Washington, and how little they trust the Establishment to get anything done. Which will lead to "Establishment" candidates from both parties getting crushed in the remaining Primaries.

So...Book the "Anti-Establishment", "Anti-Washington" Candidates for both parties to be their respective nominees.

ie: See-ya JEB and Hillary...It will be Trump v. Sanders.

And what an election that will be...



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 08:25 PM
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IMO today’s GOP is more an embarrassment to the country than it is a functioning political party. They’re compulsive liars, hypocrites and self-serving sociopaths with a criminal agenda. I think the Halls of Congress would make Vinnie the Mafia Hitman blush with envy. I know folks will say, “Well, the Democrats are just as bad”, but I disagree. The Dems are bad, yes, but the GOP is BAD.

The GOP hide behind the skirts of Christian Fundamentalism while advocating for the elimination of programs like foodstamps, medicare/medicade, Social Security disability and retirement benefits. At the same time they protect the interests of large, monopolistic corporations and the rich elite class, who stash their bucks in offshore bank accounts to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. These righteous, upstanding Christians have a love affair with the military industrial complex and have no qualms sacrificing the lives of young American soldiers in bloody conflicts overseas. At the same time the GOP has a scandalous record when it comes to supporting America's war veterans and active service members. Here’s just one example of their loving Christian ways.

The current version of the GOP is dragging this country down and preventing it from making progress. A perfect example of this is the recent death of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and the GOP vow to take no action on any nominees submitted by President Obama. They are politicizing the process and proud of it. In an article written by the New York Times about The Death of Justice Scalia, Senator Elizabeth Warren blasted comments made by Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, that the Senate would try to block President Obama from nominating a new justice to replace Justice Antonin Scalia. She said, “Senator McConnell is right that the American people should have a voice in the selection of the next Supreme Court justice. In fact, they did — when President Obama won the 2012 election by five million votes”. She went on to say, “Article II Section 2 of the Constitution says the President of the United States nominates justices to the Supreme Court, with the advice and consent of the Senate. I can’t find a clause that says ‘…except when there’s a year left in the term of a Democratic President.’

And finally, Senator Warren, added: “Senate Republicans took an oath just like Senate Democrats did. Abandoning the duties they swore to uphold would threaten both the Constitution and our democracy itself. It would also prove that all the Republican talk about loving the Constitution is just that — empty talk.

These devout Christian Good Ol’ Boys are taking this nation down a dangerous path. I only wonder, will the electorate ever get a clue and stop voting in these GOP losers? Just my 2 cents.

Peace...



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: masqua

Jesus Christ would be totally rejected by these American Christians.

He couldn't be elected dog catcher let alone a Jurist


I have already quoted numerous versus in the Bible that denounces the kind of mentality these " Christians" have towards the poor

They'd call him a communist, socialist, or bleeding heart liberal



I get what you're saying, but keep in mind, most neoconservatives, regardless of how vocal they are with their claims of being Christian are considered anti-Christians by most "other" Christians. I won't say one "side" are "actual" Christians and the other false or anti-Christians, because A) to each their own and B) all interpretations of the Bible are by man(/woman) and thus all a matter of perception, however, I will say this:

From my perspective, in general, right-wing "evangelicals" or whatever other name they go by, believe they are Christians, and in fact look down on all others as "less Christian" than them. In reality, while they do not realize it, they are the largest and most powerful anti-Christian force the world has ever known. I wish they would go by a different name, maybe call themselves Leviticans or "Hate All Differentians" or something. They give the rest of us a bad name, especially with their prideful, in-your-face broadcasting of their claim to Christianity, while living lives which would keep a galaxy full of Jesuses busy trying to counteract their evil, hateful ways.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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They'll appoint some uber-Liberal wienie and that will be the tombstone on the grave of what was the USA.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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Masqua,

You're a great old guy ... and I will mourn you when you pass.
 

Something smells rotten here. That's all the rest I've got to say for now.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 01:45 AM
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Honestly, there wouldn't be so much hysteria if Supreme Court justices had limited terms. Like 10 or 15 years would be sufficient. Instead, they have lifetime terms and aren't subject to a democratic vote (they're appointed by a President and confirmed by the Senate). Because of this, Supreme Court nominations can be one of the most important things a President does.

This is especially true right now. Republicans like to claim they're outsiders and are anti-establishment, but they have a stranglehold on most positions of power in America. The majority of State legislatures & Governorships are Republican controlled, as are both chambers of the US Congress. And the Supreme Court has had a 5-4 conservative judge "lead" for decades. In other words, they're used to being in power and getting their way in the Supreme Court. Of course there are always decisions that are exceptions, but the majority of its cases can be predicted by this 5-4 balance.

Until now. If a miracle were to happen and Pres Obama was to get an actual progressive to fill Scalia's seat, it would have monumental repercussions for decades. Ironically, I think Pres Obama would be more likely to nominate a moderate than Bernie Sanders. So if Sanders won the Presidency but Republicans somehow kept the Senate, I don't see the Senate confirm Sanders' appointments either.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 02:42 AM
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No, they want to replace the late Justice Antonin Scalia with a genetic match of Antonin Scalia, someone who will roar conservative, scathing dissents, and even better, author decisions like DC vs Heller, which declared that the constitution guarantees the literal right to bear arms.


Well imagine that. Maybe that's because IT DOES. And this stupid political hit piece is already whining about it. But make no mistake. Yeah something stinks. The gun grabbers are now latching on to any ledge they can to propel a liberal into the SCOTUS to take those damn guns once and for all. That's what this is about, plain and simple.

And they will try every conceivable method to conceal it, boasting the unrelated virtues of potential liberal candidates. And that's exactly what Americans had better damn well watch out for. The very first thing that should be done when a SCOTUS candidate is nominated is that person's record checked, and thoroughly, for his or her position on the 2nd Amendment. And right there, I guarantee you, you will find the Devil lurking in the details. Every time.

BEWARE AMERICA.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: masqua

I am in total agreement with those before me who have commented about the very low odds of Jesus Christ ever being seated on the Supreme Court IF Obama nominated him.

On reflection, I am facinated at how much the GOP has become more like George Wallace than they have remained like their hero Ronald Reagan.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

Thank you for that post. To be able to connect where the disconnect actually occurred is really helpful in understanding.

I never knew this.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: Snarl
Masqua,

You're a great old guy ... and I will mourn you when you pass.
 

Something smells rotten here. That's all the rest I've got to say for now.


Well, let's hope I've a couple of decades left. I'll be sure to keep the pillow under my head instead of over it.

The rotten smell you note I believe is one of fundamental hypocrisy.




5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.


Bolding mine

www.biblegateway.com...



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 08:47 AM
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Dark Money and the Kochtipus


In 1971, corporate lawyer (and future supreme court justice) Lewis Powell wrote a 5,000-word memo that was a blueprint for a broad attack on the liberal establishment. The real enemies, Powell wrote, “were the college campus, the pulpit, the media, the intellectual and literary journals, the arts and sciences”, and “politicians”.

He argued that conservatives should control the political debate at its source by demanding “balance” in textbooks, television shows and news coverage – themes that were echoed in inflammatory speeches by Richard Nixon’s vice-president, Spiro Agnew.

The war on liberals was so effective that practically everyone reacted to it: from the New York Times, which hired ex-Nixon speechwriter Bill Safire to “balance” its op-ed page, to the Ford Foundation, which gave $300,000 to the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) in 1972. The impact was cumulative: almost four decades later, Barack Obama was astonished by one of the first questions asked to him, by a New York Times reporter, after he became president: “Are you a socialist?”

The AEI was one of dozens of the new thinktanks bankrolled by hundreds of millions from the Kochs and their allies. Sold to the public as quasi-scholarly organizations, their real function was to legitimize the right to pollute for oil, gas and coal companies, and to argue for ever more tax cuts for the people who created them. Richard Scaife, an heir to the Mellon fortune, gave $23m over 23 years to the Heritage Foundation, after having been the largest single donor to AEI.


(bolding mine)

www.theguardian.com...



Jane Mayer wrote about the Koch brothers and their history. She calls the pair the Kochtipus for the process of investing ‘Dark Money’ (anonymous donations) in the effort to undermine the Democrats.

Her book.

This will be my next read. Ordering today.



posted on Feb, 18 2016 @ 01:07 PM
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The Pope:


A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," Francis said. "This is not in the Gospel."

Not having heard Trump's border plans independently, Francis said he'd "give him the benefit of the doubt." But he added: "I'd just say that this man is not Christian if he said it this way.”


The Donald:


Trump immediately fired back, saying it is disgraceful for a religious leader to question a person's faith.
www.cbc.ca...

What would Jesus say?





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