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Republican presidential debate (2/13/16)

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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Thanks. Interesting to see how our cousins across the pond view our totally out of control political process.




posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 09:20 AM
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Poll from the Blaze on the debate winners...



Do these debates actually matter? Either the answer is no OR the country is aware of the debate and media tricks.
I mean seriously, two of Trumps questiosn were:

1) would you still impeach GW Bush? because he said so 8 years ago! I mean come on what kind of question is that?!!! It was a set up that Trump fell for.
2) Do you have to swear so much?

Absolutely ridiculous questions.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 01:10 PM
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The one question that was asked that got NO ANSWER - was about prosecuting bankers instead of just 'fining' them....

it was a question put to Carson - and he totally ignored it. Went to immigration instead.


@UKTruth ----

your summaries above really got me chuckling....

Kasich: the one sane man in an asylum
and
Carson: he has a website.

LOL!!!!!

This was so completely Jerry Springer -----
disgusting, embarrassing, and a waste.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

LOL...I have to agree with "Carson: he has a website. " Funny stuff.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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BOOM! Audience RIGGED in favor of Bush and Rubio


RNC Under Fire Over Debate Audience Stacking–Local GOP Chairman Confirms Party Donors Get Debate Tickets



As such, the same appears to have been true party-wide. One well-placed source who works for one of the GOP presidential campaigns and was in attendance at the debate on Saturday evening here—but was not authorized to speak on record about the matter—told Breitbart News that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC)37% and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley were personally given scores of tickets to distribute. Both despise Trump and have said so publicly–Haley even using the platform of the official GOP response to the State of the Union to do so–and it would be no surprise if they did aim to stack the audience with anti-Trump sentiment.

“I’ve never seen anything like it,” said another source in the audience, someone who has attended several of the GOP debates. That source said the anti-Trump and anti-Cruz audience members—who were thoroughly cheering for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79% and his mentor former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush when they made passionate cases for amnesty for illegal aliens, something entirely non-representative of South Carolina’s electorate—were behaving unlike any audience he’d ever seen in his lifetime of attending GOP presidential debates.

The Republican National Committee’s Sean Spicer confirmed to Breitbart News pre-debate that the RNC proper distributed 367 tickets while the state party and locally elected officials received 550 tickets. Meanwhile the debate partners—CBS News, the Peace Center, and Google—received another 100 tickets.

That means more than 1000 tickets—1,017 by Spicer’s admission—went not to voters in the upcoming election and not to campaigns for equal distribution to their supporters but to special interest distribution of those connected to the party, mostly high dollar donors. Only 600 tickets were distributed equally among the six remaining GOP campaigns, which to be fair to the RNC is the highest number of tickets distributed as such so far this election cycle.


www.breitbart.com... -tickets/



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
BOOM! Audience RIGGED in favor of Bush and Rubio


RNC Under Fire Over Debate Audience Stacking–Local GOP Chairman Confirms Party Donors Get Debate Tickets



As such, the same appears to have been true party-wide. One well-placed source who works for one of the GOP presidential campaigns and was in attendance at the debate on Saturday evening here—but was not authorized to speak on record about the matter—told Breitbart News that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC)37% and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley were personally given scores of tickets to distribute. Both despise Trump and have said so publicly–Haley even using the platform of the official GOP response to the State of the Union to do so–and it would be no surprise if they did aim to stack the audience with anti-Trump sentiment.

“I’ve never seen anything like it,” said another source in the audience, someone who has attended several of the GOP debates. That source said the anti-Trump and anti-Cruz audience members—who were thoroughly cheering for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79% and his mentor former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush when they made passionate cases for amnesty for illegal aliens, something entirely non-representative of South Carolina’s electorate—were behaving unlike any audience he’d ever seen in his lifetime of attending GOP presidential debates.

The Republican National Committee’s Sean Spicer confirmed to Breitbart News pre-debate that the RNC proper distributed 367 tickets while the state party and locally elected officials received 550 tickets. Meanwhile the debate partners—CBS News, the Peace Center, and Google—received another 100 tickets.

That means more than 1000 tickets—1,017 by Spicer’s admission—went not to voters in the upcoming election and not to campaigns for equal distribution to their supporters but to special interest distribution of those connected to the party, mostly high dollar donors. Only 600 tickets were distributed equally among the six remaining GOP campaigns, which to be fair to the RNC is the highest number of tickets distributed as such so far this election cycle.


www.breitbart.com... -tickets/


It was obvious it was stacked. Got to laugh at the awful little cretin Lindsay Graham. He managed to drum up ZERO percent support from the people so he has now skulked off into the shadows to play his dirty little games.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Trump enjoys the challenges of negative audiences.
Gloves off -- on guard.

There is just one problem; all of Trumps speaking points are Democratic/liberal viewpoints, he attacks Republicans policies yet never goes after Obama or the Clinton failed policies during debates. He seems to be a shill or a "ringer" for the Democratic Party (infiltrated the GOP successfully)?



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

Wait till he wins the primary, then Hillary will face a barrage like she never faced in her life, I hope by super Tuesday it's in the bag for Trump, if the Democratic primary splits the vote on Super Tuesday then the contest will be a long one.
Trump can attack Hilary and ignore Sanders, because he would rather face him in the General, and the blue dogs will come over to him because it will polarize them.

Maybe it started as a troll game, but now Trump is like, "hey I can win this", he is getting a wiff of real power, his ego will drive him to the end.
edit on 14-2-2016 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Wait till he wins the primary, then Hillary will face a barrage like she never faced in her life, I hope by super Tuesday it's in the bag for Trump, if the Democratic primary splits the vote on Super Tuesday then the contest will be a long one.
Trump can attack Hilary and ignore Sanders, because he would rather face him in the General, and the blue dogs will come over to him because it will polarize them.

What if its the two (hiding all along) Libertarian constitutionalists in the primary: Trump and Sanders? One is radical left the other radical right.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 01:10 AM
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Trump would get shredded by Sanders in the general. He's not attacking him because "The Donald" is smarter than he looks and acts (though maybe just barely.) He's seen what has happened to Clinton. He knows attacks don't work on Sanders and only empower him.
edit on 15/2/2016 by Eilasvaleleyn because: Reasons



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 02:49 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
What if its the two (hiding all along) Libertarian constitutionalists in the primary: Trump and Sanders? One is radical left the other radical right.


Trump is very far away from radical right. Aside from his rhetoric this election (and even then it's not that far right) he has been a rather liberal person. He's just always full of bad ideas, so he has always been treated as a joke. Such as that time when he wanted to clear out the national debt by confiscating 50% (I may be off on the exact percent) of the wealth from the richest American, and then go down the list to each next richest until enough was taken to pay off the debt. That was his advice to Bill Clinton when Clinton was trying to get things under control. Very far from right wing ideology. Trump is also huge on social programs which again, aren't a favored right wing stance.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
Trump would get shredded by Sanders in the general. He's not attacking him because "The Donald" is smarter than he looks and acts (though maybe just barely.) He's seen what has happened to Clinton. He knows attacks don't work on Sanders and only empower him.


Trump is trying to appeal to Republicans and Democrats by positioning himself in the centre. He is never going to get hard right or left votes, but can eat up votes form moderates in both parties. I suspect that most of his rhetoric is now aimed at the general election.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
Trump would get shredded by Sanders in the general.


Please. My 5-year old could take on Sanders. All he'd have to do is keep asking 'Why?" and "How?" until Bernie implodes.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
What if its the two (hiding all along) Libertarian constitutionalists in the primary: Trump and Sanders? One is radical left the other radical right.


Trump is very far away from radical right. Aside from his rhetoric this election (and even then it's not that far right) he has been a rather liberal person. He's just always full of bad ideas, so he has always been treated as a joke. Such as that time when he wanted to clear out the national debt by confiscating 50% (I may be off on the exact percent) of the wealth from the richest American, and then go down the list to each next richest until enough was taken to pay off the debt. That was his advice to Bill Clinton when Clinton was trying to get things under control. Very far from right wing ideology. Trump is also huge on social programs which again, aren't a favored right wing stance.

He should have run on the Democratic Ticket. Why he chose the Republican is beyond ignorance as I understand it. All of his talking points are liberal. I am having a hard time understanding any of his reasoning (idiocy) in attempting to convince he is conservative. The Death Star is here if he is nominated; a perfect ringer for the Democratic Party either way they win with a Trump, Clinton or Sanders.
edit on 15-2-2016 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
Trump would get shredded by Sanders in the general.


Please. My 5-year old could take on Sanders. All he'd have to do is keep asking 'Why?" and "How?" until Bernie implodes.

Your smart 5 year old knows "Bernies policies are insane and cannot reasonably be paid for even given the 10 years to do so on the backs of taxpayers".



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

If Trump takes the election, no one wins.

More seriously, I think Trump would be pretty harmless as a President. The Democrats are a lock to take the Senate and have a very good chance of getting 60. If Trump wins, I have no doubt they will block everything he tries as we get a repeat of the previous 16 years (minus two super majorities) with the roles once again reversed.

It wouldn't just be partisan bickering either, Trump is considered something of a joke by Democrats, he always has been. The RNC doesn't like him much either. Trumps base is (as much as I hate the term) the low information voter and those people have no power because no one wants to actually listen to those that have no idea what is going on.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

Your smart five-year-old is actually a dumb five-year-old who has tricked you into thinking they are smart by parroting your own inane beliefs.

Bernie's plans are the most economically feasible, because they aim to fix what has trashed the economy in the first place.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Your smart five-year-old is actually a dumb five-year-old who has tricked you into thinking they are smart by parroting your own inane beliefs.

Bernie's plans are the most economically feasible, because they aim to fix what has trashed the economy in the first place.

His plans are insane. This is a country of 370 million people (not a a Denmark or a Sweden small economy). To tax up to a 90 percent of the most wealthy .01 percent would pay soc.security/medicaid/care for only ONE YEAR (one trillion dollars only), not enough to pay for the rest of his social programs. Sanders will have to tax what is left of to the middle class. This countries growth was based in capitalism, not socialism.
edit on 15-2-2016 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: vethumanbeing

If Trump takes the election, no one wins.

More seriously, I think Trump would be pretty harmless as a President. The Democrats are a lock to take the Senate and have a very good chance of getting 60. If Trump wins, I have no doubt they will block everything he tries as we get a repeat of the previous 16 years (minus two super majorities) with the roles once again reversed.

It wouldn't just be partisan bickering either, Trump is considered something of a joke by Democrats, he always has been. The RNC doesn't like him much either. Trumps base is (as much as I hate the term) the low information voter and those people have no power because no one wants to actually listen to those that have no idea what is going on.


Here is what I would do to 'persuade' the House and the Senate to play ball, without the need for executive order

1) Set up a Presidents briefing to the Nation - EVERY week, same time. From the Oval Office. This would be essentially a weekly report to the people of Amercia

2) In that weekly report - list the key things that are being voted upon and discussed in both the House and the Senate.

3) Call out by NAME the representatives of the house and the senetors that voted in a partisan way and went against the wishes of the people they represent. To understand what the people want in each state, run ongoing national polls for each state that show clearly what the majority want on a particular issue.

4) Have a hit list of representatives and senators - name and shame their records for the times they have voted against the wishes of the people.

5) Publish the report through all major news agencies along with running totals and commentary for the year.


You can be sure that House representatives consistently voting against the people they represent would be gone aftre their 2 year term - or before.
The pressure on senators would be immense if they were shown to be doing harm through partisan voting - they would be forced to resign before their 6 year term was up.

TRANSPARENCY & ACCOUNTABILITY to the people of the USA, the people they SERVE. The way to defeat corruption and self interest is always to shine a light on it.

I think you would be amazed at how quickly the game would change.

You are also badly wrong on who Trumps voters are. They are not all low information voters, in fact he won across the board in NH. New voters, long term voters, men , women, all education levels, very conservative, moderate. He won everywhere.

Having said that, it's all moot, because there is no way in the world that Trump can get enough votes to win the nomination. He must already know this, so I can only assume his campaign is about bringing important issues to light and tryiing to effect change and influence the eventual winner of the GOP nomination, which can ONLY be Rubio or Bush.
edit on 16/2/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
5) Publish the report through all major news agencies along with running totals and commentary for the year.


Everytihng you mentioned is just a variant of this so I'm not quoting them all. This doesn't work, Congress only has an 11% approval rating but most of congress has a 60%+ approval rating in their district. Everyone is happy with how the group of them act, but for the most part Americans like the person they put in there. Don't forget, that for every person who is called out and shamed as having gone against the Presidents wishes there's another person who treats that as a rallying cry for the Congressman having done what they were supposed to do.


You are also badly wrong on who Trumps voters are. They are not all low information voters, in fact he won across the board in NH. New voters, long term voters, men , women, all education levels, very conservative, moderate. He won everywhere.


Winning across broad demographics does not mean they're not low education, furthermore not all low information voters are dumb. The vast majority of people are low information voters. By definition there are not large segments of the general public that are experts on foreign policy, trade, immigration, economics, and everything else the President or any elected official has to deal with. Any given person is usually at best an expert on just one of those subjects (and many aren't even an expert on one). This means that most people quite simply are not qualified to even judge the merits of someones campaign plans.

This in turn causes elections to be about saying something that sounds good rather than about something that actually is good.
edit on 17-2-2016 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)



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