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How do you feel about your DL having an RFID chip in it tracking your every move???

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posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: Agree2Disagree


Who cares if they're tracking you? I'm a regular joe-schmoe with nothing to hide…so why would I care if they watch me?

You're a member of a conspiracy theory website for starters. The farther down the police state slope we slide, the more paranoid the state becomes, the more important information retrieval becomes.

Not that you have anything to hide…




posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 08:47 AM
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I have an RFID scanner. There's no RFID chip in my driver's license.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 09:01 AM
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Tracking is not the issue. The issue is what they with it.

The environment has an effect on the brain. If they can track someone they can alter the environment around the individual.
Like how cookies and google and pick out ads that most appeal to someone. This will start happening outside the normal web.

simply this means they can filter the information one gets and thus alter the decisions one would have made. Even if ignoring the filter, subconsciously it will still come into the mind.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: Bedlam

Thanks, that's what I was thinking but wasn't sure if it was correct.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 09:44 AM
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If the chips in our license and debit and credit cards were to be used for tracking purposes, they (banks, news media) wouldn't be encouraging people to carry them in wallets/cases/purses that block the chips.

They encourage us to carry them in chip blockers so that they don't get hacked.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 09:49 AM
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Yeah, there is no realistic range limit to rfid tech. The range is set by the power of the reciever. It is the reason a toll reader can scan a tiny rfid chip driving by at 300 mph.
This same tech is in ids, passports, all new 20,50,100 bills(maybe more).

We can't have un-monitored cash exchanges.

Sorry, but it will all be sold under the guise of saftey.
"It's so someone cant counterfit as easy." Etc, etc

"Sorry Bob the body was found at those coordinates, you were the only one to drive by there last night, therefore you are being charged with murder."

The" I have nothing to hide" spiel, is borderline retarded, imho




posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:12 AM
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There is no requirement that you must have a driver's license. Any RFIDs embedded in them can also easily be blocked, making "tracking them" unfeasible, versus something like license plate scanners. I would be much more concerned about the proliferation of databases maintaining records of every facet of our lives, and the impetus behind those databases is Corporate America.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:16 AM
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The government doesn't need to put RFID chips in things in order to track people.

All the government needs is a Facebook account and read. People post everything they are doing.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: corblimeyguvnor

Cars can't be tracked that much? not where you live perhaps but here in the UK it's a different story. ANPR on every On/Off ramp of the motorway network, them little grey boxes at the side of the road every 500 or so yards with Laser Radiation warning labels all over them ...... tracked? not much


You wouldn't use "laser radiation" to interrogate an RFID. RFID isn't a tag reader. You can't conflate them.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: lavatrance

Even if it's true two things come to mind. 1) You're not going to drive around without a license. That could get expensive if you're caught. I know personally. Don't ask. Lol.
2) I'm doubtful there are enough federal agents or employees to monitor all of us all of the time. However if I'm ever lost having driven my car off the road in a deserted area I'd like to think my body would be found before the wolves feast on me. Maybe that's just me.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: lavatrance
put it in for like even 10 seconds, it will pop the rfid chip. And I guarantee there's one in your DL and that you're probably unaware it's there to track you.


Not at all. They're not only pretty easy to see, an E-field RFID of the sort used in EDLs has an antenna pattern in the license that's hard to miss.

And they don't track you. Hell, they don't even transmit a signal.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: DexterRiley
From an RFID perspective that's true. But every time you use a credit or debit card, a record is made of when, where, and how much. And in some cases the contents of the purchases can be tracked using the same methodology.

In the US we have cop cars that are constantly vacuuming up license plate data and storing that information.


Again, that's not "RFID tracking". It's data correlation. Totally different beast.



And cell phones, especially smartphones, are constantly leaking data about your activities.


That's why I didn't include phones in the list of things that don't track you.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: lavatrance

originally posted by: Agree2Disagree

originally posted by: lavatrance
How do you feel about your DL having an RFID chip in it tracking your every move???


I feel fine.


Have you ever put your DL in the microwave? n pop it?

Why would any sane individual put their DL in the microwave?


Do you even know you're being tracked? And are you okay with that???
Yes, I'm okay with it. More importantly, why are you so secretive?

A2D


put it in for like even 10 seconds, it will pop the rfid chip. And I guarantee there's one in your DL and that you're probably unaware it's there to track you.


And if it melts the plastic license you have to pay to get a new one...



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

Oh I gotta say pics or it didn't happen.
Any other members of the realm want to chime in?



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
Yeah, there is no realistic range limit to rfid tech. The range is set by the power of the reciever. It is the reason a toll reader can scan a tiny rfid chip driving by at 300 mph.


Well, that's not right. Answer, sure there is. You can only use e-field RFID parts at a distance. The range is set, oddly enough, by the basic radar equation. And first, you have to be able to deliver enough power to get the chip to operate. They do not have power supplies, and emitted power falls off as the square of the distance. Other issues are, obviously, the transmitting antenna gain, the antenna gain of the RFID's antenna (and it has to have one), the aperture of the RFID antenna, the reflectivity differential of the RFID's mark and space states, the receiving antenna gain, SNR and so on. Just like any other small radar system, only in this case the RFID has to intercept and convert enough of the interrogator signal to power itself.

Practical issues also include the problem of sorting multiple returns - most RFID uses ALOHA, and the read times increase exponentially with additional RFID devices responding at the same time.



This same tech is in ids, passports, all new 20,50,100 bills(maybe more).


Nope. Passports, debit cards and the like use H-field parts, and they've got an even harder range limit set by physics.

Money doesn't have an antenna pattern you can see. And they don't set off my non-linear junction detector, so if there's a part in there, it's not a semiconductor.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: DexterRiley

Of course they keep a record of charges and purchases. How do we keep our checking account correct or know if someone is buying stuff on our credit cards otherwise?

Those cars must be in the big cities because my city can't keep up with pot holes never mind purchasing high tech police cars. No I don't live in Mayberry. I'm in a smaller city on the east coast near D.C.. Still I'm thinking of city council meetings getting things like that approved.

Data leaks other than location? It always feels like somebody's watching me.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:52 AM
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I made sure to NOT get a real id this past time I had the option, so no RFID in my ID. I will be sure to pop it in the microwave when the time comes though.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: amazing

Unless you requested an EDL, it won't have one anyway.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: snowspirit

As far as I know its individual inventors / manufactuers who offer these. Not the government. Unless uncle Sam has a sideline making wallets.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 10:58 AM
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I make sure I always have Google location services activated on my Android phone just in case 'they' (who ever 'they' are) lose track of me for any time.After all it'd be terrible if 'they' got suspicious of what a law abiding bloke like me does in my spare time,best to give 'them' full access to my movements I reckon?




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