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When Bob Lazar Declared Gravity As a Wave

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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
His description of element 115 does not match the characteristics of element 115


His descriptions of 115 are of a stable isotope, the ISOTOPE created in the lab is SEVERELY neutron deficient due to the nature of how it was made, of course it isn't stable. I wish people would stop peddling this "oh look 115 doesn't behave like Lazar says". Does Tritium behave like Hydrogen? Does U235 behave like U238?




posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: tc2290
Are you saying that there are natural isotopes of 115? Under what conditions are they created?
Which isotope of 115 would be stable?


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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: Soylent Green Is People




1. Lazar never claimed to be an Area 51 employee. Dunno why everyone keeps trying to place him there. Area 51 & S4 are 2 separate facilities.

Thanks for the correction.


So he worked in the building on the right, not the left, really?


His claims are hard to debunk because no other specific information about anything he has talked about -- pro or con -- is out there. There is really nothing about him to specifically debunk except for the few claims that he has made.


Lazaar has the ability to help his case, if he wants to. He claims he knows the entire employee list of the people who worked in his area (I think it was 18-24 people), BUT he is keeping that to himself(I cant find the video now, it was recently posted on ATS) . His reason for keeping it secret after all the time didnt make much sense... he could have his buddy Knapp look into finding them and see if they are willing to corroborate the story. Maybe he doesnt want to harass them, but I think Knapp could be discreet. Just another reason not to believe it imo.
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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: tc2290
Are you saying that there are natural isotopes of 115? Under what conditions are they created?
Which isotope of 115 would be stable?



Can't be done in this solar system, as you already know.

But the popular theory about stable 115 is from the notion that the naturally stable 115 isotope would be made in a solar system with a star much larger than our SOL star. It would be natural for a star to produce other super heavy elements also with the possibility of having islands of stability by the much larger star producing them through the fusion process and nucleosynthesis in a very big star able to produce far greater extremes than our own star..

Scientists still argue about even this, so who knows for sure.

It's just a theory.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: tc2290

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
His description of element 115 does not match the characteristics of element 115


His descriptions of 115 are of a stable isotope, the ISOTOPE created in the lab is SEVERELY neutron deficient due to the nature of how it was made, of course it isn't stable. I wish people would stop peddling this "oh look 115 doesn't behave like Lazar says". Does Tritium behave like Hydrogen? Does U235 behave like U238?

It sounds to me as if some of the people who believe Bob Lazar are trying really hard to make Lazar's story match some pre-conceived desire that his story be true.

They want to believe so badly that the government has reversed engineered alien anti-gravity propulsion technology that they spin Lazar's story to make it seem plausible that he was involved in doing so.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:33 PM
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But the popular theory about stable 115 is from the notion that the naturally stable 115 isotope would be made in a solar system with a star much larger than our SOL star.

How much larger? Under what circumstances.
If there is a natural form of 115, why has it never been found. None of the elements found in the Solar System came from Sol.
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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: tc2290

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
His description of element 115 does not match the characteristics of element 115


His descriptions of 115 are of a stable isotope, the ISOTOPE created in the lab is SEVERELY neutron deficient due to the nature of how it was made, of course it isn't stable. I wish people would stop peddling this "oh look 115 doesn't behave like Lazar says". Does Tritium behave like Hydrogen? Does U235 behave like U238?


It is nice to see someone else gets this. I have known this for years myself, and discussed it with a couple professors at great length, and they said the exact same thing.

They said a supergiant star in another solar system could potentially create natural 115 and others with the needed neutrons to make stable and non radioactive isotopes of these superheavy elements..



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:41 PM
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Space science teaches that everything in our own star SOL is found throughout our solar system.Nothing more and nothing less The matter that formed our star and our solar system was what was available at the time of formation of our system.

Our star is a relatively small star and it is perhaps coincidental that our star can only make up to and including uranium. If our star was to go supernova, it could produce some heavier elements and scatter those around, although unlikely that it could make any stable super heavy ones.

I don't claim to have all the answers, only what I have been told by a few different college prof's. If they are right or wrong I don't know. It is just what I have been told.

I would also think that spectrograms of larger stars might reveal some unknowns, but I have never heard of that happening so maybe it is all bogus.


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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:43 PM
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The matter that formed our star and our solar system was what was available at the time of formation of our system.
Yes.


Our star is a relatively small star and it is perhaps coincidental that our star can only make up to and including uranium.
Our star cannot make uranium.


If our star was to go supernova, it could produce some heavier elements and scatter those around, although unlikely that it could make any stable super heavy ones.
Our star cannot go nova, much less supernova.


What sort of star can produce a stable isotope of 115?
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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: Phage

You just aren't getting the message and have that old pompousness that never goes away. I gave up on you a long time ago, and you keep validating that decision every time.

Good bye.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:47 PM
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You just aren't getting the message

I got your message a while back.
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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed



You just aren't getting the message

I got your message a while back.


Try reading up on stellar nucleosynthesis, and yes our own star DOES make uranium and Iron, and everything else. It is what fusion does inside that big orange ball.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 11:01 PM
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and yes our own star DOES make uranium and Iron, and everything else.

No. Our star is currently producing only helium. Maybe some beryllium, but not much. In any case that beryllium would turn back into helium.

Much later it will produce carbon, but that's about it. Maybe a bit of some heavier elements. Never uranium.

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posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 11:47 PM
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We now know gravity is a wave. Lazar states that the strong nuclear force is also gravity, whether it's the same or different is vague. There is a theory in physics that's rarely mentioned. That is, the idea of a strong gravitational constant. If you perform a thought experiment, you can see why it would be reasonable to think that gravity "within" the nucleus of an atom could be many times stronger than outside of it. Based off of Relativity, it's perfectly reasonable to say that the protons and neutrons must warp space time, how much is the question. If you've payed close attention to modern measurements, you will have heard that the gravitational constant is "changing", or isn't staying "constant" within experimental error. In my opinion, the scientific crowd should investigate such a crucial entity in our current understanding of the universe.

Oh, by the way, waves can both combine and cancel each other out. Who's to say there isn't a way to make an electromagnetic wave interfere with a gravitational one, producing a stronger gravitational wave? There's only mountains of claims alluding to something along the lines of this. What do you say... TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 12:59 AM
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We now know gravity is a wave.

No. We know, as Einstein predicted, that gravitational fluctuations can propagate through spacetime.

Saying gravity is a wave is like saying the ocean is a wave.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 02:11 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Considering mass is what causes spacetime to "change". And spacetime "changing" is what we perceive as gravity. Then it's correct to say that mass can be altered to affect spacetime differently (by movement, rotation, etc). From this, we can conclude the most important part, that creating a gravitational wave will "change" spacetime. And if it's a wave it has properties such as: frequency, wavelength, etc. This means that gravitational waves can be created to affect spacetime in different ways. Most importantly, it's under our control.

You're right that gravity is not a wave. I simply did not make myself clear enough. But now you should understand what I'm saying.

Hopefully there is a relationship between electromagnetism and gravity. Making it so EM waves can create sufficient gravitational-waves.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 02:43 AM
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careful when looking into the future....

a reply to: Brotherman


on a serious note....maybe tesla should come out from zeus and honeybadger will rule earth!



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed



You just aren't getting the message

I got your message a while back.


Try reading up on stellar nucleosynthesis, and yes our own star DOES make uranium and Iron, and everything else. It is what fusion does inside that big orange ball.

Our sun is not of the type to produce elements heavier than iron through nucleosynthesis (neither in the Sun's current state nor in its predicted future states).

To produce elements heavier than iron, it takes a supernova, neutron star, or asymptotic giant branch star, none of which our sun is expected to ever become.


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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:40 AM
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I still find it discusting and ignorant how people are so easily made to question lazar. Having studied his facial expressions through all interviews he ever did including his most recent interviews it can be clearly seen that lazar is telling the truth and what he says will be vindicated in the future once new information surfaces. However by that time, many years from now he will pass and those who will finally believe him will not be able to say thank you to him.

It is a sad state of affairs, people are only appreciated once they are gone.

What he has said correlates with science to the dot and the things that he dicussed regarding the unknown to most of us, is also slowly being validated. The government hold a sheet over all of us, the real dealings with alien life and mind blowing technology is being supressed. It seems the military complex is higher then government agencies and therefore dictate all our lives. Sad fact. Even the president does not have clearence to Area 51, nevermind S4.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: bananasam

I still find it discusting and ignorant how people are so easily made to question lazar. Having studied his facial expressions through all interviews he ever did including his most recent interviews it can be clearly seen that lazar is telling the truth...

Or he has deluded himself into thinking he is telling the truth. There are people who tell subconscious untruths that their conscious minds think is the truth.


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