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When Bob Lazar Declared Gravity As a Wave

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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: IAmTheRumble

I would like to add that if aliens are millions of years ahead of us, then they probably know a lot more than us. Especially if they did somehow get here. Einstein believed all the forces of nature could be united, in other words, they were manifestations of the same thing in different ways. All forces are carried by a form of energy. If the "aliens" had figured out how to transmute forces into the others, they could most certainly produce the effect of gravity with electromagnetism. But this assumes all forces are interrelated somehow.




posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 12:10 AM
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Not that I believe or disbelieve the Lazar story (beliefs are a crutch), I don't have the facts and neither does anyone else, including all the people here in this thread. I love how people spout their opinions here with knee-jerk attacks on a person's character and make claims about scientific things they know less about than they'd like to think, as if they are facts. Amusing. Good fodder for a late dinner



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:53 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84

He has, apparently, lied about more than one thing.


...

YES!!! He has lied about more than a tiny
few things, but you also have to look at
people's MOTIVATIONS for lying...it's not
Always so cut and dried where ALL is a lie
From any single person or group.

The questions to ask are:

1) Why lie in the first place?
i.e. is there an underlying mental pathology,
Criminal intent, or protect oneself from
harm or embarassment.

2) Is there any financial or emotional PROFIT
From the lie?

3) Who or what am i protecting from any given
Consequences of telling the TRUTH? I.e. If i
Say nothing or tell the truth, will i be physically
Or mentally safe from harm?

4) is there altruism involved in the story?
Some people CANNOT be bought...so you have
To kill them or send them to the sidelines thus
Is there credible cause to believe the storyteller
Is altruistic in nature?

5) Does the story teller care about the subject
Matter? I.e. Are they so steadfast about their
beliefs that finding or telling the truth would
Shatter their self worth or belief system thus
The Lies are preferable to the truth?!

6) Do they have enough high level knowledge
of a subject area that lies are are not needed
Or are they too embarrassed to admit they
Don't know much about the subject matter?

...

Do any of the above points apply to Bob Lazar?

And finally, i should note that in 1989 bob lazar
Took friends out near the Area 51 sites where
There was VIDEO EVIDENCE taken by those
Friends of strange lights doing crazy highspeed
High G-force maneuvers! Having seen that
Evidence, i do know that we DID NOT HAVE
High maneuverability DRONES in 1989 like
Those we have today in 2016!

That fact alone gives me reason to believe
Parts of Lazar's story! AND....stories gotten
from old timers at General Atomics and
North American during the 1970s lend
Corroborating evidence that parts of
Lazar's stories about ultra high speed
disc aircraft using wave-based Stabilization
and directioning ARE true!

We shall see soon enough....about what
IS true and what is NOT!!!



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: centarix
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I'm in agreement with most of what you say. I believe Bob Lazar quite literally "went crazy" when he lost his finger. .


Can you clarify this comment as I have never heard of Bob Lazar losing any fingers? Phil Schneider lost fingers but to my knowledge Bob has a full set and thus would not have been driven mad by this?



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 03:13 AM
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a reply to: 3danimator2014

You really have a 'hard on' to prove Bob Lazar as a liar however, how come he knew when test flights of saucer shaped craft were being tested over S4 Papoose Lake??? We have confirmed video evidence of live witnesses, so we know he wasn't lying about that!

When Bob Lazar said he worked at Los Alamos, he was called a liar but actually he was telling the truth, not only did we get this confirmed by the fact that he was listed in their phone directory but since then, UFO researcher Jeremy Corbell who has managed to find a scientist (with all the right credentials) who was at Los Alamos in the 1980's and this scientist has verified that Lazar worked their as a Physicist! His name is Dr Krangal and he can apparently prove he was a physicist at Los Alamos along with some other Government-contract labs.

www.extraordinarybeliefs.com...

It is easy to say Bob is a fraud and a liar, ignoring the fact that some of his information is proven to be true, does not prove he is liar, quite the contrary, in fact!



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 03:17 AM
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These guys would make excellent science fiction writers. If you watch Lazars body language during these interviews you can tell he is lying ..... He can't quite keep full eye contact with the interviewer, he has a nervous slight smile when asked questions, before he answers these questions his eyes look left ( which according to phycologists means he is accessing his creative side of his thoughts and not a memory , ) Another thing which is suspect is that flimsy identification card which has is photo and "MAJ" down the side which even in the late eighties early 90s looks fake .
According to George Knapp Lazar knew when they would be test flying these discs .... So they went out to a certain place at a certain time and witnessed a light in the sky !!! Wow !!! Come on ppl .. How long were they waiting for until this light appeared ? And isn't area 51 an airstrip??? Look up at night time anywhere in america and you will definitely see lights as the sky's are full of aircraft . This Lazar character is a fantastic fantasist and that's all there is to it.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

Exactly. I'm not sure why this is so amazing. I thought it was well known. When I see astronauts float around without gravity it had too be a wave to allow them to move around plus our bodies naturally have an electric charge.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: jazzy4
a reply to: GBP/JPY

Exactly. I'm not sure why this is so amazing. I thought it was well known. When I see astronauts float around without gravity it had too be a wave to allow them to move around plus our bodies naturally have an electric charge.


You might find this video quite educating: www.youtube.com...

Deny ignorance.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I've read all of the novels you listed in your post except Dragon's Egg & Mission of Gravity. Do you recommend them?

I agree all were terrific and much of what is postulated in a well written sci-fi vehicle will ultimately prove true.

I work in the world of "hard science" but in an area where the hard sci-fi stuff and metaphysics keep crashing the party. Believe me, many in my field and similar fields pay attention to this stuff.

Have no opinion of Lazar one way or the other as of now. Prophet or charlatan - who knows?



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: breeziestspy
These guys would make excellent science fiction writers. If you watch Lazars body language during these interviews you can tell he is lying ..... He can't quite keep full eye contact with the interviewer, he has a nervous slight smile when asked questions, before he answers these questions his eyes look left ( which according to phycologists means he is accessing his creative side of his thoughts and not a memory , ) Another thing which is suspect is that flimsy identification card which has is photo and "MAJ" down the side which even in the late eighties early 90s looks fake .
According to George Knapp Lazar knew when they would be test flying these discs .... So they went out to a certain place at a certain time and witnessed a light in the sky !!! Wow !!! Come on ppl .. How long were they waiting for until this light appeared ? And isn't area 51 an airstrip??? Look up at night time anywhere in america and you will definitely see lights as the sky's are full of aircraft . This Lazar character is a fantastic fantasist and that's all there is to it.


It's people like you that make me believe Lazar...why would you be trying to debunk him so much if he wasn't lying!??

I'm joking, but this is the response you will get from a lot of people.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: IAmTheRumble

If observed macroscopic gravitation arises as a result of particular nuclear interactions, then why is its strength so independent of apparently all nuclear properties other than total mass-energy? I.e. why the equivalence principle?

Do leptons not gravitate? Sample experiment: positronium doesn't weight anything or fall.

Other strong-force influenced things (decays, interactions) vary extroardinarily widely from one nucleus and isotope to another.

Strong-force in multi-body interactions (i.e. nucleus) results in a zoo of interactions every bit as diverse as electromagnetism does for atomic physics, i.e. the entire field of chemistry.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

Those are all very thought provoking questions, to which I don't have the answers. Someday I will. The future will tell!



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

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Now you are getting into an area that us in computer science
call "Small Inputs And Small Changes Cascade into Large Output
Differences Over Time".

I highly suspect you already know this because of your background,
but in the area of quantum mechanics where the UP Quark has a
charge of +2/3rd and the DOWN quark has a charge of -1/3rd and
we are into 1/2 spin rates .... those EXTREMELY tiny differences
at the sub-Planck's Length scale start manifesting VERY QUICKLY
at the Proton/Neutron/Electron scales.

Even a small isotope change can mean some very
different molecular-scale or nuclear-scale properties
which can be harnessed profitably by us humans (or Aliens!).

And while Quantum Chromodynamics is not an particular
area of strong interest I think I do have at least a SMALL
understanding of how Quarks and Gluons form Hadrons
(i.e. Larger scale Protons and Neutrons).

And when you get into the area of Binding States
where Quark Pairs are ALWAYS bound together
(i.e. by the Confinement principle) via forces
even STRONGER than the more generically known
Strong Nuclear Force, it means that on a practical
level the ENORMOUS ENERGY LEVEL that such strong
Quark-Pair level bindings represent indicate that ALL
atomic structure has the potential to be harnessed
for amounts of energy that are truly fantastic in scale!

And when you are getting down to Sub-Plank's Length
scales, you are getting into energy densities that have
the POTENTIAL to WARP space-time and thus provide ONE
avenue of FTL transport and Gravitational/Inertial Shielding!



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: Hongkongphooey

Wow, I somehow mixed those two stories into one! Right, that was Phil Schnider. Oops! Thanks for pointing that out.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: StargateSG7

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: truthseeker84

He has, apparently, lied about more than one thing.


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Not to push the subject too much, but in my old line of work,
telling a good and believeable "lie" or "story" was part and parcel
of the job description, so WHO IS TO SAY that Bob Lazar is doing
classic Cold War Spycraft by interspersing reality with fibbery?

Like I said earlier, I believe that from a Nuclear Physics point of view,
at an atomic weight of 289 with the sheer number of protons (115)
and neutrons (174) within the Element 115 nucleus and the
associated structure of its electron shell (orbit structure
of 2, 8, 32, 32, 18, 5) in my estimation precludes any
long term stability in any form.

See Link:
en.wikipedia.org...

It will just decay with too little of an energy release
to be of any PRACTICAL use. Plutonium, Uranium, Thorium
and others are much better suited for power production!

In my estimation, as it's properties SHOULD BE similar
to Bismuth, you could say that people should be focusing
on THAT element (Bismuth) as possibly having a yet-to-be
created metastable isotope that COULD/MIGHT be pushed
into releasing HUGE amounts of energy!

Again, I suspect Element-115 is an INTENTIONAL mis-direction
desiged to pull us all AWAY from elements/isotopes that have
the REAL possibilities of creating powerful bursts or
continuous amounts of energy!




ok let me step in here ...

just So you Know ..

when bob Lazar talks about Element 115 !

he talks about a stable element not made on earth..
( no need for Aliens ) just in a No Gravity Field ( Space )

and with Element 115 .. he is talking about Element 115 being converted to
Element 116 , and thats where the Energy source comes from ..Element 116 not 115 to create
an Anti Gravity field .. according to his claim ...

Lazar Still sticks to his claims ! 25 years later

Stanton Friedman thinks Bob Lazar in Interesting, but on the other hand
calls him a Liar , and he not what he claims to be ..

There was a Video created in 1991 that got my Attention,

of two things Lazar had said in it !

The Sound of The UFO he was working on with a Ososcope
showing waves! of what they look like ..

and remembering another way older Documentary
about Billy Meier's UFO he Recorded the Sound
and Sound Engineers doing experiments and Analyzing the Sound
frequency and waves .. gravity fields

and its Identical exact same Sound ..

although BOB Lazar Could of seen this Billy Meier Documentary
and Copied it ! and got the Idea from it and the Billy Meier Documentary
was around in 1977 or 1980 originally made for TV

another in the video was

Bob Lazer talks about a Conflict with the Aliens and the Aliens Left in 1979
which reminded me of Phillip Schneider talking about the underground base
Conflict with the Grays in 1979. and Phillip Schneider talked about that in 1990 1991
in a Video which didn't come out until 1994 .. unless Bob Lazar was there at
Philip Schneider Speech time ?

So this all could be Disinformation from Billy Meier , Bob Lazar , Phillip Schneider

and what is Disinformation Folks ! ?

70% False 30% Truth

or

30% False & 70% Truth

Not telling all of it !


Here is the Video

The Lazar Tape

And Excerpts from the Government Bible

see where Bob Lazar talking about Gravity Waves at the 15:42 mark
www.youtube.com...=2405.655142


what bob Lazar is talking about is Gravity Waves
aka more Less talking about Gravity A Wave
as he calls it


so way before Bob Lazar ...........

Here is that documentary of Billy Meier
showing all kinds of examinations and Analyzing

Billy Meier 🎥 UFO Footage Time Travel Alien Photos Prophecy Documentary 👽 Wendelle Stevens Contact

( go to the 102.25 Mark for the Sound of the UFO )

www.youtube.com...



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posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: Wolfenz
Here is that documentary of Billy Meier
showing all kinds of examinations and Analyzing

Billy Meier is a confirmed hoaxer. Nothing he says can be considered valid in any way.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: Wolfenz
Here is that documentary of Billy Meier
showing all kinds of examinations and Analyzing

Billy Meier is a confirmed hoaxer. Nothing he says can be considered valid in any way.


well .. he may be, sounds to be...

but the Sound of the UFO he claimed that he Recorded

and the video that shown the examination of that recording ..

is pretty much what Bob Lazar Shows about Gravity A Waves Frequency and the Sound
in the Video The Lazar Tapes :

The Question is Skeptic Overlord :

How in the Hell does a One Arm Simple Farmer
Would Know this , and Conjure up this Sound Frequency ?
is what scratching my head...

I have to Admit
Billy Meier Past History of his Young Adult youth is just is Bizarre as his
UFo Alien Contact claims .. Hoax or Not .. lol...
I guess he traveled around the World

Randolf Winters one of Meier's claimed to be Followers
is even more Bizarre then him which i think he's total Fake..

but for Billy he was caught red handed with Models
looking like his videos and photos of his UFOS .. LOL

although ..
The claim Pieces of UFO Metal that was Analyzed / examined was Bizarre
micro Wafer-ed & Layered of Natural Elements of Copper and Silver ?

of course Im skeptic like another person..

They make great Scifi Stories!



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 12:33 AM
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In terms of figuring out whether or not Gravity is a wave or not,
and since you likely have expertise in Statistical Analysis and can
probably calculate my FICO score using only 300 variables, why not
apply some of that Nonlinear Dynamics expertise into find out
on a numerical basis if X-number or type of sub-atomic particles
(i.e. which quarks?) would have their charge and spin (and position?)
within 3D Planck's Length space be inferred and then ANALYZED to
see if Gravity COULD HAVE having characteristics attributable to
wave-like systems AND be attributable as a byproduct
of intrinsic qualities of sub-atomic particles such as Quarks.

If the Quark's within any given element have specific
behaviour that MIGHT create wave-like products,
can that behaviour be determined using a
statistical model of any given single or group
of Quark's intrinsic qualities?

AND...if any behaviour CAN be determined by statistical analysis
of all the known properties of quarks within commonly studied
environments, would that not PROVE once and for all, that
Gravity is a WAVE and is ONLY a byproduct of the spin activities
and charge qualities of Quarks within atomic elements
and that Gravity is NOT a separate force or particle per-se,
but rather a byproduct of groups of quarks spinning around
a certain way and and holding a given charge at a given time?

We humans might be WRONG in assuming gravity is a separate
entity in itself. It might be just a byproduct of some sub-atomic
property of the various quarks that have been discovered.
If this is the case, it means that gravity can be MANIPULATED
by humans at a macro scale which then means REALLY FAST
space and in-atmosphere travel is possible without using
ugly noisy rockets and jet engines!


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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 04:05 AM
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Let me just say one thing more for now in this very good thread. I am truly just asking here because I do not know. Does anyone here have any information on how one of the greatest minds ever and researcher into this topic Jacques Vallée views Bob's story and the details of it ? I am also very curious on how he views Eduard Albert Meier and his material.
Any links or facts here would be appreciated. Feel free to IM me the meier s stuff if you would because I would not want to derail this thread. Thank you.
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posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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He waffles a bit.


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