Possible 68 Warrants? issued for Those Who Stood at Bundy Ranch, Oregon Refuge and Mines

a reply to: onequestion

Do the Oathkeepers plan on doing anything?

Crouch in their bugout holes stroking their guns while hugging their bibles babbling something about their god given rights?

K~

originally posted by: MrSpad
Criminals being arrested? What is this world coming to. Here I though you could just get a gun, call yourself a patriot and then breaking the law was ok.

So standing up for something that you believe in makes you a criminal? Some people in this world just don't get it. We can't vote the criminal agencies out, we can't get legislation to put them on a short lease, these thugs are running all over the citizens of this country. What do you propose that we do to fix this? According to you, we are criminals if we stand up to them, so how do we fix it? By making honest American patriots into criminals for standing up for those who can't fight? Go back to sleep. Eventually you'll wake up and figure out that the government has control of everything and when it's starts affecting you and your family, it'll be too late.

a reply to: Discotech

because that`s the way the government works they are slow in everything they do but they know who you are and where you are so if you break the law they will get to you in their own good time.

a reply to: troyof69

They didn't stand up for anything. They went camping for a couple of weeks and then caved and gave up.

Again, how patriotic of them. A shining example to all would-be patriots in the country.

"Talk the talk for a couple of weeks boys, then give up and call it a day! Don't forget to complain about getting in trouble for doing illegal things after you give up, too!"

Everybody wants to be a gangster. Right up till its time to do gangster ish.

originally posted by: Blueracer

originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: Shamrock6

What you mean they don't have a constitutional right to point firearms at federal officers & civilians.
Why that's just tyranny I tell ya, them damn communist socialist fascist liberals want to take away their right to point their weapons at whomever they choose.
This wont stand, they're "muricans dagnabbet" & god said they could.


Good news if true.

K~

When did they point their firearms at federal officers and civilians?

During the Bundy stand off they spent plenty of time pointing their weapons at BLM officials. The "patriots" were so brave doing that while hiding behind a group of women.

a reply to: troyof69

So standing up for something that you believe in makes you a criminal?

No an armed take over of a federal building, stealing government vehicles is what makes them criminals. You would know this had you been paying attention.

Eventually you'll wake up and figure out that the government has control of everything and when it's starts affecting you and your family, it'll be too late.

It was too late before these drama queens were even born.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I learned this when I first started boxing 14 years ago at the beginning of a 10 year career...

The most critical are the least likely to step in the ring.

originally posted by: onequestion
Do the Oathkeepers plan on doing anything?

Yeah putting as much distance between this bunch of idiots and themselves as possible.

a reply to: Shamrock6


And the cops let them do whatever they wanted to as long as they were together. Once they were separated they moved in and arrested them.


"gangster ish" indeed.


Why didn't they serve the warrants (or make an arrest) while a supposed crime was being committed? Perhaps it was too dangerous and they didn't want to scuff their "chrome go-fast" army toys.


Both sides were playing soldier in the standoff really - just one side didn't have all the cards. So which side is full of cowards?



Perhaps I'm jaded. When we were called upon to take down a target, it didn't matter if there were 5 or 50 men in the house. We rolled in. We didn't wait until they went home to find them in their bed. Difference between soldiers and those than "play soldier" I guess"

a reply to: buster2010

So why are the following up on what's goin on then?

a reply to: 200Plus

Big difference between a marine and a federal agent, BIG.

originally posted by: onequestion
Do the Oathkeepers plan on doing anything?

Yes. Flap their gums a lot and then find another storm in a teacup to get annoyed at, so they can put their dark glasses on and then arm themselves for a war they'll never be able to win. Oh and then they'll all go home and whine about how people just don't understand them.

a reply to: buster2010

From what I understood, this is not just about the refuge. It encompasses anyone who was at the bundy ranch, and the mine too. I was paying attention as you call it. I've followed all of quite closely. I don't defend the ones at the refuge. What they did was wrong. But in my eyes, patriots, III%er, and oath keepers should be there protecting citizens from a government agency that has no rules. This country has gone down the toilet because not one lazy American male has stepped up to defend our Constitution on our own soil. I've been watching and been part of the patriot movement for more years than I care to share. It's always the same thing. They people get fed up, make a stand, they get labeled as crazies, and the government arrests them or kills them. The people, citizens of this once great nation, all turn a blind eye because they're scared, fearful of the feds. America has become a nation of whining cry babies that won't stand up for each other. We have politicians that sell land out from under the owners, steal land using eminent domain, and have been in the government for most of their lives. I believe it's past time to ever save this country. Unless men become men again and stand for our rights instead of laying down and blindly following the masses to the slaughter.

a reply to: onequestion

Cute. I'm sure that line will shame one or two people in to pretending they follow whatever line you're pushing. Since I have an ability to think critically, I'm not going to be shamed into not calling a spade a spade.

Not far off though. I'm pretty unlikely to go squat in a federally owned building, illegally drive vehicles that don't belong to me, and then whine about being charged for one of any number crimes that I had committed.

a reply to: 200Plus

That's an asinine argument. Despite what many on ATS would love to convince you of, America is not a war zone. You know full well that had the Feds turned this into another Waco and stormed the building, people would be screaming their heads off over heavy handed tactics and militarized law enforcement.

Wait, you mean they picked up a few occupiers here, a few more there, and the overwhelming results were devoid of any violence? By god they're just a bunch of cowards.

Ps - night time raids are pretty common. Not sure what kind of low-level targets you were "taking down," but kicking in a door at 2 am and dragging a guy outta his bed is a pretty solid tactic, and one that's used rather frequently. All those special operations guys must be cowards, yea?

a reply to: Shamrock6


Odd, America is not a warzone, yet they rolled up with five Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles (MRAPs).


With the cops carrying the same gear the military carries, only a fool claims America isn't a warzone any more.


No I mean they sat around with their thumbs up their collective asses telling each other "Ranger stories" about busting heads while a group of armed rebels occupied a federal building. Once these "rebels" went home and could be outnumbered easily with little to no threat to themselves they moved in an collected them (as they always imagined in their daydreams).


TL;DR - they watched a crime being committed and did nothing out of fear for themselves. They only did something when the threat to themselves was eliminated. What is the sense of giving them all the "toy soldier gear" if they aren't going to use it (except in their cop fantasies)?

a reply to: 200Plus

So you'd rather they turn it into Waco than wait for an opportunity to make an arrest with a pretty reduced chance of loss of life? And your justification is well by God you have rifles and "toys" you best use them? That's pretty mind blowing dude. You're actually complaining about law enforcement arresting people with minimal force, outside the Finicum incident anyway.

TL/DR - the lengths some people will go to do they can complain is mind boggling. Complaining about people being arrested while espousing the notion that it should've been turned in to a Waco style assault is equally mind blowing.

a reply to: Shamrock6


This response is exactly why I think the Police Departments need to be demilitarized.


You (as an LEO) fall back to a kill everyone like Waco as a response to criminals committing a crime in front of you.


Not every action has to be a "kill everyone". I'm sure you as a human being understand that.


NOTHING was done until it was safe for the police to do something. That is cowardice. You can call it good police work and I'm sure from a LEO point of view it is. From someone watching people with all their "toy soldier gear" being paraded around it just seems like they prefer soft targets rather than actual police work.

a reply to: 200Plus

Nah guy. You're the one complaining about them being cowards for having the means to turn this into a Waco assault but not using those means.

No amount of twisting or bending is going to change that into somehow me espousing that notion. You, and you alone, are the one calling them cowards for having assault weapons and MRAPs and not going in and using them.

Good try.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Blueracer

originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: Shamrock6

What you mean they don't have a constitutional right to point firearms at federal officers & civilians.
Why that's just tyranny I tell ya, them damn communist socialist fascist liberals want to take away their right to point their weapons at whomever they choose.
This wont stand, they're "muricans dagnabbet" & god said they could.


Good news if true.

K~

When did they point their firearms at federal officers and civilians?

During the Bundy stand off they spent plenty of time pointing their weapons at BLM officials. The "patriots" were so brave doing that while hiding behind a group of women.

Can you verify that with proof, please?