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originally posted by: ntech
Paul also covers this adoption process with the olive tree parable of Romans 11. With that parable he compares the family tree of Jacob/Israel to a olive tree. And Gentiles as wild olive branches being grafted into the tree. Essentially a adoption process for Gentiles into the family of God.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ChesterJohn
Men decide when to receive the baptism which symbolises their faith, and God decides when they receive the Holy Spirit.
That's why the order of the two events might vary.
Frankly, I don't see any difference between the forgiveness of sin and the remission of sin.
They both mean "Your sin doesn't count against you any more".
the final explanation is given in Act 3
Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mr 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Lu 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Lu 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
The whole idea of there sins were in remission until the time of refreshing would come and at that time their sin would be blotted out.
Ac 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I most definitely believe you receive the Holy Ghost after faith on Christ today no baptism or repentance needed.