Millennials Pick Socialism Over Capitalism

Pure socialism and pure capitalism ultimately end at the exact same place.

That is a mathematical certainty and probably why we have never seen either in existence, at any point in time, in human history.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

njoying your Social Security benefits? That's socialism.

I don't think there is a single person that is enjoying that 'benefit'.

Since the average monthly check is $1200 a month. Mostly less for most.

Which averages around to little over $12k a year.

Which is Poverty level.

Them socialists sure were looking out for seniors now weren't they?

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: DBCowboy

That I cannot disagree with on any level.

Like I said, I'm not against capitalism. I can recognize how incredible it is. At the same time, I can recognize its flaws and see its vulnerabilities.

I'm looking it at not from the past, but how things are now. Wishing for what once was doesn't fix the now or the future.

Socialism changes the game, it changes the "tool".

And all we're doing is replacing the "tool", NOT doing anything about the people who used it wrong in the first place.

What do you think happens in a society where "oligarchs" now are in control of a socialist economy?

originally posted by: DBCowboy


Blame the people who wield it incorrectly.

I think that's what the millennials are doing by rejecting The GOP, Clinton and your boy Trump.

a reply to: neo96

And how many of them depend on it? How many elderly people would starve without social security?

And you quoted the average. There are people getting more, and people getting less. Something to think about.

LOL If that's the only bone you can pick, it's a pretty weak one...

a reply to: neo96

Well I am. It is 700 per month and buys my insurance and pays medical bills. But combined with my husband's pension, I live pretty well. Socialism

We just slashed a bunch of people today out of the blue gave them till the first of March. I had to cut access to my lab till Monday at 6 AM. Most cut were in their mid 20's and thought 30 hours a week was enough. Restricted areas like my lab have been ordered locked with further limited access to prevent thefts. Amazing how many people wanted to work the weekend for their first time when they only have 2 weeks left. Awww come on man I have things to finish up was the cry of the afternoon.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Millennials Pick Socialism Over Capitalism

So did the Hippies of the Baby Boomer generation...
... until they (we) grew up and (finally) realized the error of their (our) ways .

Been there... did that. Got the award on the wall

Interesting tidbit.

The US will never be a pure capitalist country, per the Constitution.

There is no Constitutional limitations preventing it from becoming socialist.

Weird, no?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

And to think someone investing in that EVIL Wall Street socialists hate so much would be living comfortably.

Hell 30 years of compounding interest in a bank or money market or CD ladder for the same time period would be equally lucrative for a senior.

Without any risk.

But guess what ?

Thanks to socialists none of those are even conceivable options today.

Since all those accounts today pay an astounding .01% rate per year.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Well, capitalism worked well for the baby boomers who are now aging. It's not surprising they have a favorable view of it.

The thing is ... "capitalism" in the 50's and 60's isn't anything like what "capitalism" is today. Corporations have vastly more power, vastly fewer regulations. Tax rates are much lower on the wealthiest people today.

And under the baby boomers they allowed systematic theft of wealth from the middle class. The boomers allowed the nation's wealth inequality to grow by "trickle up" economics, sold as "trickle down" -- they were hoodwinked by slick politicians paid for by big money special interest groups.

And now that they are reaching retirement, they have the audacity to shake their canes and carry on about the evils of socialism to the youth? Enjoying Medicare? Enjoying your Social Security benefits? That's socialism. To bad your generation was blind during the radical shift in wealth inequality, as now the younger generations are screwed.

The state of the country got to where it is under their watch, and now that the youth of the nation are trying to untangle and fix the insane mess that was made, they want to use socialized programs issued by the government, rattling on about the "good old days".

Well, your generation robed Peter to pay Paul pops ... sorry Dad, you guys probably lived better than you should have, took to much, were blind to much and now look at the world you're leaving to us to inherit. Thanks a bunch.

Well put all i need to add is a

If I had to hazard a guess there are plenty or right wingers on ATS enjoying SS, mediccare/aid and still whine about the

creeping "socialist" nightmare. We know who you are hypocrites....

originally posted by: peck420
Interesting tidbit.

The US will never be a pure capitalist country, per the Constitution.

There is no Constitutional limitations preventing it from becoming socialist.

Weird, no?

That's the neat thing about a free society.

We can vote ourselves into chains.

We just won't be able to vote ourselves back out.

a reply to: olaru12

Oh yeah forcing employers, and employees shell out 6% each for SS, and 3+% for medicare.

Then tax pensions with another tax called the MEDICARE Capital Gains surtax is just so awesome.

Such a shame those programs are running massive deficits since the 'benefciaries' are getting more out of it than they ever paid in.

You know what they call that kind of program ?

Ponzi scheme.

First in first out leaving someone else holding the bag.

Awesome I tell ya simply AWESOME.

Well CORRUPT as it gets.

Socialism is a corrupt ideology.

More so than what socialist's decry.

If evil, crooked "oligarchs" took and abused capitalism, then just replacing capitalism with socialism and leaving the evil, crooked 'oligarchs" in charge will just give us communism.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I wonder if 63% of seniors had a positive view of Social Security?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I wonder if 63% of seniors had a positive view of Social Security?

When they still have to WORK after they 'retire'.

I say no they don't.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If evil, crooked "oligarchs" took and abused capitalism, then just replacing capitalism with socialism and leaving the evil, crooked 'oligarchs" in charge will just give us communism.

Well the only people i have seen try and stand up to this crooked group were just recently shut down and received very little support from the public,if that is a glimpse of the coming future we may as well start embracing communism now, as the power of the people erodes a little more day by day

a reply to: DBCowboy

Very true, but it does make me wonder, on occasion.

With all of the very pro capitalist quotes that the founding father's gave, did they see the ultimate end of the industrial revolution? Did they think that one day, the ownership of production will be far more intrinsic to the health of a nation, than it was in the days they wrote the Constitution? That they should write in powers that ensure that the nation could never become pure capitalist?

Here we are, a couple hundred years later, facing a dilemma that appears to have been thought about at the time of that writing.

Meh, now I am just waxing philosophical.

How is this different then the anti-establishment of 60s/70s?

And just know the political movement and drug culture may have erupted at the same time and general area --- but, were separate.