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We should vote for who will help the country not our own ideology

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posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I is good to see president Obama attempt to do what need to be done, obstructionists or not he is the president!

Go Obummer!




posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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You all think Bernie is right for you. So far Bernie is able to talk about his goals, he doesn't have to talk about how he would achieve them. This lets him keep his message simple. Do any of you really know what he wants to do? Is it just enough for you that he says "unfairness", "inequality" and so on?

He wants to tax the rich, but doesn't talk much about how that money would make the poor better off. Direct payments? Rent subsidies? Means testing?

He'd like to make public colleges affordable (or free) for all Americans. He doesn't want to pay for frills or for Ivy League schools. But, again, I don't see any proposals for how much money would go to what kinds of schools, or how we could keep that money from becoming an instant increase in their costs. Or how he'd change the governance of colleges to force them to control costs.

and the list goes on.

Sorry but its sounds like 2008 all over again. Young people voted for Obama because he was "cool", and now young people wanna vote for Sanders because "free stuff yo".



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

So totally ignore the Frank Dodd Act.

The FATCA.

And the triple medicare tax on capital gains.

That's nice.

Funny part there is Sanders voted on all those, So I don't know what he's snipping about.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Flatfish

Never heard Sen Sanders ask for a 90% tax on the rich, but I support such taxes if for no other reason than to get big money out of politics!

Tax the rich!

They won't go hungry!!!!


I'm not saying that I'd be against it either.

I'm just saying that Bernie hasn't actually proposed it.

As far as I'm concerned, if the uber wealthy don't like their tax rate, they can always find themselves a lower paying job.

It is a free country after all.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: Flatfish

And the 'masses' could do what millions of Americans have been doing since Wall Street was created.

INVEST in their own futures.

It pays better than anything the government has ever 'offered'.

Or find themselves a HIGHER paying job.

Sure is a 'free' country.

Not much freedom for a minority though eh.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:40 PM
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bah, irrational prejudice. Your cries that the poor are always saying "Rich people are evil!" is tempered by the rich constantly screaming "The poor are trying to take my money!" In a functional society where everyone has the same opportunities these two sides of the same coin would cancel each other, but our system is rigged so that the rich can get preposterously rich while STILL criticizing the lower classes for being lazy and stupid. They're constantly trying to portray themselves as struggling and barely making ends meet, and any taxation or attempt to fund social programs will force them into bankruptcy while they're paying millions of dollars to get legislation passed in their favor so they can position themselves to make even more profits.

And the concept that they can hold over our heads "Well, we don't care about social programs or paying taxes, and if we're required to we'll just leave." There's something intensely distasteful about corporations holding our economy hostage if they're not allowed to use the tax loopholes they've exploited and lobbyists they've used to destroy any credibility that the government represents the will of its people and replacing it with politicians that are beholden to corporations instead of the people that elected them.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Slanter

Well if a person is going to be 'poor'.

America is the place to be.




posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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If Bernie Sanders promised not to raise taxes how many people would easily switch from the GOP to Sanders? It seems that is what a lot of people are hung up on in this thread. I think his tax plan sucks myself. You cannot tax till there is none left. Wanting to tax the rich more is social warfare at its worst. There is rich and there is wealthy. Chris Rock explains this well in one of his routines.

I have known rich people and I have know wealthy people. Rich people are not far off from poor people. A job loss...an injury or death in the family...bad investments...things can change real quick. But wealthy? These are the ones who lose 45 billion and do not bat an eye. There are not that many folks.

So when you look at it why go after the rich? What will that accomplish?

This is one that we can all agree on....

Bernie is the one who wants the highest change in taxes...


Establishes four new brackets of 37%, 43%, 48%, and 52%. The top rate applies to taxable income over $10 million. Raises the rate of all other brackets by 2.2%.


Majority of the GOP is against higher taxes except Rubio...I think his are still too high.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: neo96



He's been arguing against corruption his entire political career.



Can you tell me which politicians have been arguing FOR corruption?



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Flatfish

And the 'masses' could do what millions of Americans have been doing since Wall Street was created.

INVEST in their own futures.

It pays better than anything the government has ever 'offered'.

Or find themselves a HIGHER paying job.

Sure is a 'free' country.

Not much freedom for a minority though eh.


There aren't enough high paying jobs for the masses, but there's damn sure plenty of low paying jobs for any of the uber wealthy who want to bitch about their tax rate.

There's plenty of freedom for everyone. Problem is, there's not enough opportunities for the minorities or the poor.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: neo96

It already is! We might not be starving like some countries, but the discrepancy of income of the poor people vs the rich people is worse than in other countries with similar GDP.

1 in 2 people in the US is classified as "poor."

SOURCE



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Flatfish




There aren't enough high paying jobs for the masses,


You can thank Sander and his party for that.

Business leaves this country because it's cheaper to go elsewhere.

Left wingers have absolutely no concept of that word competition.

That creates jobs, that create wealth. That create wait for TAX REVENUE for the state.

Sanders wins watch how much bigger unemployment gets.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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I like Sanders in theory, but I am not sure I can live with his future plans. Raising taxes seems to be his answer. If he raised taxes on those who can afford to pay, that is one thing. But he wants to raise taxes for everyone. In the past raising taxes to increase revenue meant a tax increase for the lower and middle class because there were so many people in those tax brackets. That meant that the tax increases would get the most bang for the buck - so to speak. However, with so much wealth held by such a small percentage of people today, that formula doesn't work any more. If you tax the lower brackets again now, you are literally taking food out of people's mouths. Sadly, the reality is that anyone who says they will tax only the rich and corporations stands no chance of getting elected.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: Slanter

That's funny.

Considering Americans today standard of living is the highest it's been in this countries history.

More cash,benefits, and 'things' than ever before.

How about taking a look at what we do have instead of snipping about what we don't ?



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: Blueracer

Haha, actually they kinda are. The DNC just rolled back provisions that banned donations from federal lobbyists and polical action committees that Obama put in place in 2008. That's pretty much a "Corruption? yes please!" from them.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:54 PM
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Have people not been paying attention to what has happened in New York, California, and Detriot?

Not a lot of 'rich' people there anymore.

Love or hate rich people. Your perogitive.

'Socialists' need them.

Once they leave like they did in those states, and cities ?

Guess who the tax burden falls on??
edit on 12-2-2016 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Exactly, social programs are propping up the poor. Otherwise they wouldn't just be "poor," they'd be starving. Hence Social programs are necessary right now until we can figure out how to get the playing field a little more leveled.

I'd also say that the technological advancements we've made have contributed more to our relatively higher standard of living than any social improvements.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

Considering Americans today standard of living is the highest it's been in this countries history.

More cash,benefits, and 'things' than ever before.

How about taking a look at what we do have instead of snipping about what we don't ?



Strange you should say that considering that Obama has supposedly destroyed the country in every way imaginable over the past 8 years. Or at least that is what you say whenever you're trying to convince people how bad it's been. So which is it then. Has Obama destroyed the country during his term are are we living in the highest standards ever??? Or does it just switch depending on what angle you're pushing??



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Business left the country because, the international trade Acts have made allowances for their move.

Sanders says no to the TPP, hillary called it "the gold standard" and promoted 45 times, just like a good little corporate w----!


The R's are feeding at the corps piggy trough too!

Look at them go after that corporate money, what a bunch of piggies, especially that one in the pink Mao jacket!



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

What's been 'strange' is listening to Sanders, and CLinton tell everyone how 'bad' they have it.

I thought 8 years of Hope and Change were a raging success.




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