Russia threatens permanent world war if Saudis add ground troops to U.S. coalition

a reply to: DJW001

Yes. Do you concede the fact that pro-Russian propagandists do the same thing that pro-American propagandists do?

No, I am not in a thread about "pro-Russian propagandists" and I am also not obsessed with turning everything into a Russia vs America discussion, in which I absolutely have to try and turn every argument into an anti Russia one by grasping at pathetic little straws.

a reply to: DJW001


To cal it Fascism is totally uninformed view. See what happens in Germany and compare it to Russia, to speak of historic resemblance.

the irony is they are not told to vote for this or that candidate. There isn't another equally good one. As of the parties, the second biggest is the Communist party of RF (not the old KPSS). So if United Russia lose the next elections, Zyuganov's communists will secure victory, again (they did in Yeltsin's time). Presidential elections are independent of the parliamentary ones, as you know. Putin has a clear lead above 50% (70 or even more) no matter if you like him or not. Compared to 2-3-4% of his opponents who want to draw Russia in the Western orbit and sell off Siberia. I wonder, all those talks of Merkel and Mitterand about one space from Atlantic to Urals or even to Vladivostok, where did they go. Or one space ruled by the EU and NATO may be? Russia is the first nuclear power and one cannot play with her like that. Even when Gorby lowered down missiles, they still exist. Always there is the danger unhappy putchists to occupy bunkers or submarines and blackmail the world. Didn't you think of that possibility from the action movies? The West is immensely happy that after those decades of Cold War it got it right without a shot, thanks to the Russian politicians and the Eastern European peoples in first place. Because Reagan's Star Wars could be answered preemptively, and that was the military solution of Gorbachev - to develop bot a shield but offensive weapons to pierce the US shield. Now that is a reality, such weapons do exist.

And because this is fairly well known by the Western politicians, the question remains: do they want to provoke Russia to start the war first? For what gains in centuries later history? Because now is clear the West loses the military competition and the lost will be great. Why does the West want to provoke Russia to shoot first that means in practical terms to destroy it, for what gains in the far away future? Isn't it better to deal?

It will be total loss for humanity if we reach the nuclear winter and pockets of survivals here and there. Or may be expecting extraterrestrial spaceships to save us from ourselves. As Hawking warned last month, the biggest danger is not asteroid or aliens, the biggest danger are we ourselves with nuclear, biological or AI defeat. Someone wants that happen, and I cannot help but think of movies like Terminator where that case is visualized.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Feeling defensive? Anyway, this is off topic.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

No, I am not in a thread about "pro-Russian propagandists" and I am also not obsessed with turning everything into a Russia vs America discussion, in which I absolutely have to try and turn every argument into an anti Russia one by grasping at pathetic little straws.

What's wrong with being amused by the fact that partisans use the same tactics of deception? Did I accuse you of turning everything into a Russia versus America discussion? No. Did I accuse you of of turning every argument into an Anti-Russian one? No. Are you grasping at pathetic little straws? Absolutely.

Again, I am amused by the irony that the people who usually jump on every mistake, every slip of the tongue, every jab at a political opponent's policies, every dire declassified analysis, every leaked telephone conversation on the part of a western politician, as proof of western malfeasance, are now fuming because someone twisted a Russian pol's words to make Russia look bad.

Some people are so entrenched in their own opinions that an objective observation looks like a partisan attack.

a reply to: DJW001

why, I do not defend Russia, I ANALYZE trying to be unbiased as much as possible. Sorry if I fail in that attempt. Still the questions remain even if I stop posting from this evening, or if the EMP strikes tomorrow and wipes out every computer. BTW what the Soviets didn't do for 50 years or so, North Korea may do now, they are crazy enough to do it. There are 2 satelites that do not translate any signal that pass several times a day over USA. The latest one is 200 kg enough to carry EMP device. Think about that. USA knocked out by Kim, after which we start rebuilding the earth, USA in first place. With aid workers and volunteers throughout the world, including China. Is that the envisioned solution to WW3 that should both happen and not happen according to someone's scenario?

Do I sound defensive or offensive, when I analyse possibilities? We may not have another chance.

Will USA strike North Korea with 20 nukes if it is EMP-d tonight? I doubt it. And even if it does, what changes that for the West? It only increases the chance of yet bigger counter strike. Sun Tsu said something that sounded like: every battle is won or lost before it ever started. The West is going straight into a big loss, only how big it is, is still to be figured out. Isn't it better to deal as USSR did, instead of firing those Burans and Polyus with orbital nukes? Gorby and politburo that elected him, betrayed the socialism to save the planet. Zero gratitude.

a reply to: DJW001

Did I accuse you of turning everything into a Russia versus America discussion? No. Did I accuse you of of turning every argument into an Anti-Russian one? No. Are you grasping at pathetic little straws? Absolutely.

Really sport. The difference is that you are dragging stuff into this thread that is off topic, and has nothing to do with the subject, making this about Russia vs America.

I was just pointing out that the title is misleading and never mentioned America.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

I was just pointing out that the title is misleading and never mentioned America.

Correct, the title is misleading. Why? Because American propagandists have spun Medvedev's statement to make it appear to be a veiled threat, rather than an accurate observation. Adding to the irony is that people on this thread have been doing exactly the same thing to my observations.

a reply to: 2012newstart

This thread is not about Russia, it is about a statement that a Russian official made about the conflict in Syria. Stop worrying about EMP attacks; the only countries capably of doing them realize they would be suicidal.

a reply to: DJW001

Come on! Medvedev just said the West-Russia relations dropped to Cold War era. And in a pre-recorded interview in German magazine of yesterday, he said if other powers such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia enter the Syrian conflict, there will be yet another war on Earth (to avoid the word WW3). If that is not a warning, a double warning, by the PM of nuclear power N1 and former president who held nuclear codes, tell me what it is! The West allows Turkey and Saudi Arabia into the conflict, the West gets another war on Earth. It is as clear as crystal.

The question should be how to save ourselves, if the politicians have already sacrificed us.

Let alone Saudi and Turkey may have their own nukes and start it first. Incirlic has american nukes. How long should Russia wait before it shoots preemptively? If Turkey already shoots down her plane, why not to assume that once the bigger war starts, it won't be "permanent" but rather a "terrorist" will fire a stolen missile to North, to Damascus, or you name it.

Saudi Arabia is the worst dictatorship on this planet. I don't know even if Kim persecutes for reading the Bible at home, as the Saudi religious police does. If that is the ally of the West, plus the fundamental Turkey, the West has already lost. The West must come to its senses NOW, not after the first nuke goes off. None of us have survived nuclear war. We may think of first, second, third strike, but when it falls upon your city, your water, and your supplies stop, it is a different matter. The survivors of WW2 said it was horrible, even without nukes. The West sacrifices its population, and I will never agree with that.

a reply to: 2012newstart

And in a pre-recorded interview in German magazine of yesterday, he said if other powers such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia enter the Syrian conflict, there will be yet another war on Earth (to avoid the word WW3). If that is not a warning, a double warning, by the PM of nuclear power N1 and former president who held nuclear codes, tell me what it is!

Here is what he said:

“We must make everyone sit down at the negotiating table…rather than start yet another world war,”

global.handelsblatt.com...

Does this sound like a threat? Or an exhortation to dialogue? The Washington Times, the source for the OP, is a notorious right wing propaganda outlet known or twisting things. The Handelsblatt is a tad right of center (it is a business publication). Their agenda is to portray Russia as an aggressor. Why are you agreeing with them? Russia doesn't want another world war any more than the United States or Europe does.

a reply to: DJW001

I don't know what you think I am agreeing with or not.

I know Medvedev clearly warned that if Saudi (or other) ground force is allowed to enter Syria it will lead to major war, and another war on Earth (not world war, the translation is misspelled, said Russian official sources). Today, one day after the publication, Medvedev made another warning that the relations of Russia-West dropped to Cold War era. He said other things as well, I am not his secretary to copy and paste every word. I take the trend and comment it. If you want to copy and paste go into his website and do so, and interpret it as yo wish so.

BREAKING: #Turkey shells Kurdish targets in N. #Syria – Turkish govt source on.rt.com...
Turkey seems to want the war with Russia more than everything else. Where are Daesh here, Turkey persecutes the Kurds for decades. EU objected that many times, including the death sentence of ...the ex-Kurd leader, whatever his name. This is not something to happen overnight. Turkey went the road of islamization dictatorship long ago. Saudi never went the road of democracy. Now these two are going to enter the vast land controlled of Daesh and to claim victory (they may not find resistance on the ground).

Russia warned against that, in most explicit words allowed for diplomacy. If that is not understood, then what. The West does not have the luxury option to think Russia will fight in Syria only Turkey and Saudi Arabia to death, similar as Afghanistan. No, Russia warned the West that will lead to yet another major war on Earth. Understand it as you wish. One has to understand diplomatic language that a PM follows, especially Medvedev. May be that's why he is the one who make that, not Putin. Putin already warned many times, more not less than Medvedev.

Now let some poster go and say they all are puppets and the Russians are obliged to vote for them. Good but not good enough. You have the most modern missiles of Russia stationed in Syria for the last 3 years. Nuclear capable. The idea that Russia will fight with the worst absolute monarchy on the planet, the Saudi, and incidentally it may draw other Muslim countries on the side of the "defender of Muslim religion" is ILL CONCEIVED. I am not answering only you of course. I am commenting the situation. The idea that will be a separate war and the West will only give advises, is a wrong idea. Especially if that war becomes nuclear. We already know from Saudis that they wanted to purchase ready nukes from Pakistan. May be they did?

At top of that, pope and Russian patriarch spoke today 13 Feb in first ever meeting. No this is not off topic. Francis is known for his radical position, and Kirill is a big friend of Putin. They expressed concern of the Christian population persecuted by....not by the Syrian government or the Russian bombs! They said, two metropolitans (equal to cardinals) are being held hostages in Aleppo (not by the governmental forces of course). That is practical endorsement of a crusade leaded by Russia. Of course other interpretations are possible, and I will not go deeper into that, only to be accused of drifting the topic.

The topic is one, how to deal with the coming WW3. WW3 is inside the headline of this thread, and outside the words of Medvedev himself. Because he is politician who speaks diplomatic language. A forum is not a political meeting before cameras. A forum discusses without diplomatic language.

I take a pause, have a good discussion!

the world has been at war forever in various places. a synchronised global war is an inevitability. only the commencement-date is uncertain.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Once again, Medvedev is not threatening a world war. He has observed that increased Saudi participation inSyria could escalate things and protract the war. He has urged dialogue, not confrontation. Certain western media have distorted what he has said and portrayed it as a threat. Do you or do you not agree? I have also pointed out the irony of people who distort statements from the west in the same fashion objecting. World War III will not take place tonight. Get some rest.

a reply to: DJW001

He has urged dialogue, not confrontation.

I think that's what is throwing some people off.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Sounds like sound advice.

The only evidence of WW3 is how our western leaders are too dumb to realize this.

It's like they want it to happen...

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Sounds like sound advice.

The only evidence of WW3 is how our western leaders are too dumb to realize this.

It's like they want it to happen...

Then why is putin the one violating sovereign airspace, threatening to use nukes while bragging about taking 5 nato capitals?

I suspect that the Russians have considered that a NATO country has taken over a part of Iraq so that it may fire artillery into certain parts of Syria. Erdogan is aggressive and the head of an aggressive country through history, he takes what he wants and kills who he wants, and he is our ally. The Fourth Reich lives.

So the Russians will sooner or later have to face what they started over there. They will have to take down some of those Saudi F-15s.

a reply to: Salander

So you disagree with the Russian leadership?

a reply to: Xcathdra

In every thread that has Russia in it, you just randomly appear and toss your 3-4 lines and you're out.

Nice contribution.

And you say things that have been explained to you multiple times which means you are still writing them just to provoke people. Like me, well done

a reply to: Nikola014

Here is an idea.. Engage the topic and don't make it personal. You have anything to contribute thats on topic?