The Truth of Sanders is That He Is a Socialist.

Let's stay with reality here can we. They aren't all murderers and rapists. You sound like Trump Zombies saying that. What about the ones who are working here and live like every other normal citizen??? What about the fact that they aren't just taking fringe jobs but have actually become a huge demographic and part of our economy and job sector by taking jobs that are hard work and low pay???

I'm not saying they aren't breaking the law, but it's not like they are stealing the jobs. They are being welcomed in gladly by those who want to exploit their labor. What are you going to do about all the businesses who currently operate under that system??? You know, those good old capitalists who are just doing business the free market way without being regulated??? They have a big part of this too ya know.

Also, how would you go about actually gathering them up and all that??? I don't exactly like the idea of a police force going around just rounding up people all over the country deciding if they belong or not. How much Government growth would something like that cause???

a reply to: mOjOm


I'm just REALLY bored by you.

Going to play in a Poker Tournament.

Gnite

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: mOjOm


I'm just REALLY bored by you.

Going to play in a Poker Tournament.

Gnite

Oh ok, I get it.

So because I'm actually having a logical conversation and asking some real questions instead of just getting in a pissing contest with you, now you don't want to talk anymore.

WTF kind sh*t is that???

So if you're not here for a civil discussion then what are you here for??? Just to call people names and inflate your own ego by spreading your BS???

Amazing that when the conversation actually has some substance to it and starts to possibly go somewhere, that's when you don't want to talk.....

Fine, go. If you're that bored with me then leave. Nobody is stopping you.

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat; but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
― Ronald Wright

Democratic Socialism and Communism are the exact same things, just that one requires brain dead masses to implement and the other requires open revolution with blood in the streets, the end results are the exact same thing.

Once in power, the Constitution will be scrapped, the intellectuals rounded up for extermination and the masses will be led around by bullhorn to make them feel empowered.

Get to work for the good of the collective, in your one model car with rationed work use only gasoline in the tank made at the government owned plant, drab clothes, bland gov tv dinner style food. Oh and drones are watching for any sign of discontent so be careful out there in the Bernie Sanders alternate universe future because there are repurposed special places FEMA was so nice to leave for the commies, along with the rail system to cart you off in.

The Truth of Sanders is That He Is a Socialist.

Holy crap you just now figured that out of what 99% of America already knows...lol

Our country is a Republic Federation. BUT we are more socialist than you think. Social Security, medicare, and Now Obamacare. We are almost like Europe as it is. Your taxes go to pay welfare. Socialism. So what is there to really be afraid of?

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Where in Socialist countries in Europe besides the eastern block go the evil route of Russians? None of them. Russia made them do it. Socialism isnt evil. Dictators in control are evil and their jackbooted thugs. Its how you use the system. America has Social Security, Welfare, Unemployment payments, Medicare and now Obamacare. So all of thats socialism. Why so terrified? Your already living in socialism.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

Democratic Socialism and Communism are the exact same things, just that one requires brain dead masses to implement and the other requires open revolution with blood in the streets, the end results are the exact same thing.

Once in power, the Constitution will be scrapped, the intellectuals rounded up for extermination and the masses will be led around by bullhorn to make them feel empowered.

Get to work for the good of the collective, in your one model car with rationed work use only gasoline in the tank made at the government owned plant, drab clothes, bland gov tv dinner style food. Oh and drones are watching for any sign of discontent so be careful out there in the Bernie Sanders alternate universe future because there are repurposed special places FEMA was so nice to leave for the commies, along with the rail system to cart you off in.

Tinfoil is right, you live up to your username, that's for sure.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

Democratic Socialism and Communism are the exact same things,

No they aren't. But at least we can all stop reading your post right there since there is no reason to continue reading an obvious lie.

originally posted by: texasyeti
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Where in Socialist countries in Europe besides the eastern block go the evil route of Russians? None of them. Russia made them do it. Socialism isnt evil. Dictators in control are evil and their jackbooted thugs. Its how you use the system. America has Social Security, Welfare, Unemployment payments, Medicare and now Obamacare. So all of thats socialism. Why so terrified? Your already living in socialism.

Nope. They are Insurance programs.

In Socialism everyone works for the government, because the government owns everything. Why would they insure you against themselves?

These Insurance programs require low unemployment to stay funded but the Leftists want everyone on Welfare so that the programs start to fail which causes a reaction and then they come along with solutions like straight out Marxist Lennonist Socialism, a.k.a. Bernie Sanders.

originally posted by: texasyeti
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Where in Socialist countries in Europe besides the eastern block go the evil route of Russians? None of them. Russia made them do it. Socialism isnt evil. Dictators in control are evil and their jackbooted thugs. Its how you use the system. America has Social Security, Welfare, Unemployment payments, Medicare and now Obamacare. So all of thats socialism. Why so terrified? Your already living in socialism.

1) Not one country in Europe is "Socialist"
2) People pay into Social Security and receive it back
3) People pay into unemployment insurance
4) How's welfare? More and more every year
5) Obamacare???? That was a scheme by insurance companies and OBAMAS Crony bros, that is getting worse as time goes by. The largest insurance group in the nation is dropping ACA because it is "not viable".

Meaning too many sick and Medicare applications, not enough healthy "silver" plan payers....which was their benchmark.

And P.S. ACA is essentially State Capitalism

Why do you guys that tout Socialist policies on a day to day basis, know so little about it?

Why? ?????

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Among all your points, this one stands out at me the most:

"When some members have asked why is Sanders so bad, many of them have ignored the facts..."

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: mOjOm


I'm just REALLY bored by you.

Going to play in a Poker Tournament.

Gnite

Oh ok, I get it.

So because I'm actually having a logical conversation and asking some real questions instead of just getting in a pissing contest with you, now you don't want to talk anymore.

WTF kind sh*t is that???

So if you're not here for a civil discussion then what are you here for??? Just to call people names and inflate your own ego by spreading your BS???

Amazing that when the conversation actually has some substance to it and starts to possibly go somewhere, that's when you don't want to talk.....

Fine, go. If you're that bored with me then leave. Nobody is stopping you.

No, you just bore me on these threads by asking questions, having them answered, you firing 5 more fallacies at me, answered, rinse...repeat.

It's just an exercise in futility. You don't actually want to KNOW something. Your preconceived ideas are already set. And they're wrong and come from a place of ignorance and denial.

I'm bored by it. Extremely. It's redundant. It's silly. Your ideas are silly

a reply to: Esoterotica

We need to work together globally to ensure humanities progression, which means moving beyond all political ideology.

Socialism is the opposite of moving beyond political ideology. Socialism is control of everything by political ideology.

Socialism is a con job.

originally posted by: Baddogma
Yeah, well... the allegedly conservative, 'I know-far-better-than-you' 'adults' had their 20 years , then the 'not-so-mean, but not-so-progressive' wonks had their blip o' time... I'm about ready for socialism-lite, myself.

I survived many years of having loathed "leaders" at the helm of my country, and watched loved ones suffer and die due to the (ofttimes) vile nature of our Darwinian system, and am stunned that it may actually be the selfish, 'I-got-mine-screw- y'all folks' turn to white knuckle it for a spell.

Speaking of Darwinism, why do you think the dominant animals will take care of you when they have all of the power and you are an extra hassle?

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Cool. So you waste your time writing a BS attack on me rather than spending that same time actually answering valid questions.

Not the most clever way to skirt around stuff though as it's obvious what it is your doing.

You can keep playing your little game and call me silly over and over all you want.

The fact is, YOU ARE THE ONE AVOIDING THE CONVERSATION NOT ME.

You talk about my preconceived ideas being set yet you're the one who refuses to discuss the topic. You're blaming me for the things you're doing. If my ideas were set I wouldn't bother discussing this. Yet here I am trying to talk about it and you're the one who refuses to do so.

I think you're full of sh*t. Now, you can prove me wrong by actually having a civil discussion about the topic. But if all you can do is attack me or run away when any real discussion starts to happen, well, then you're full of sh*t. It's your choice.

You could say Obamacare was made to fail.

From day one they overpaid for a website nobody could sign up on that was outsourced from a foreign country.

Where Social Security took the socialists generations to carve away at by setting up a welfare system that was not in place when Social Security was created, Obamacare is creating the reaction they want at light speeds to hammer the discontent home.

People are mad as hell, and low and behold a Socialist appears on the scene, just after Obama gave us two terms of empty hope and change.

They must feel we are ripe for the picking.

After Bernie comes the dictator, perhaps a trusted secretary hidden behind a desk in a basement just like Stalin was to Lenin.

They should have waited another twenty years, there are still too many cold war era people alive for them to pull this off, all they will get for their efforts is a Trump.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

originally posted by: RomeByFire
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Not to be rude, but do you have a problem with the public fire department?

Police?
Public libraries?
Sewer waste removal?
Military?
Snow removal?
Highways/Interstates?
Court systems?
Social Security?
Public schools?
Jail/prison system?
Business subsidies?

Face the music, socialism has existed in America for decades and the American populace at large hasn't given a damn regarding it. It's just a damn shame that mere cents in taxes go towards education as opposed to roughly $0.30 of every $1 goes towards military.

He would completely destroy or re-write the Consitution...

Because Presidents can completely do that, right? My goodness...

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law 1850

And you should know that already, voter.

a reply to: RomeByFire

I never said anything about how "everything under the sun is good under socialism," stop with the ridiculous personal attacks. We are not children.

Said or not, that is what you have to believe if you are in favor of socialism.

"The betters take care of everybody and punish the oligarchs." Socialist axiom