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The Truth of Sanders is That He Is a Socialist.

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posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: jacobe001

I haven't seen anyone support the republicans, TPP, NAFTA.

We've got an out-of-control government that is filled with republicans, democrats, socialists (I'm being redundant) that simply want to make government bigger.

Voting for Bernie, supporting Bernie, only enables congress, higher taxes, more control and less freedoms.

And people are cheering it on!



It does not matter to me who the person is at this point, because the bigger threat is those selling out our country.
If they are Socialist, Communist, Capitalist does not matter to me if they support throwing out the Globalists first.

There is no other alternative that I see out there
The rest are sell outs
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posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

Right!

It's all the corporations, and Bilderbergs 'fault' !!!!




Which one are you?


Sure ain't a socialist SELLOUT.

Hell I learn towards autarky.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 03:48 PM
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I guess Mr. Barkley doesn't feel the Bern.




posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: DBCowboy



With records amounts of money being shoveled into politicians pockets by deep pocket corporations and banks
They seem to agree that government is the solution.

www.theatlantic.com...

The self-reinforcing quality of corporate lobbying has increasingly come to overwhelm every other potentially countervailing force.

It has also fundamentally changed how corporations interact with government—rather than trying to keep government out of its business (as they did for a long time), companies are now increasingly bringing government in as a partner, looking to see what the country can do for them.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: jacobe001

Right!

It's all the corporations, and Bilderbergs 'fault' !!!!




Which one are you?


Sure ain't a socialist SELLOUT.

Hell I learn towards autarky.


Its called Economic Policies favoring Corporate Globalism and it does have consequences otherwise, if you did not believe that, you would be saying that Socialist Policies have no effect either on us.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Your pictures are outdated. Denmark still runs surpluses, their national debt has been dramatically reduced. They still have higher taxes than the US (something that Sanders believes we should do, yes...raise taxes!), they pay less for health care than we do and they work significantly less than Americans.

So, to recap, American's work more and are paid less (on average). We pay more for basic services. We're taxed less but, again, anything the government doesn't provide for we have to pay for out of personal funds...making everything more expensive for us.

We're barely ahead in terms of economic freedom (we're ranked 11th, Denmark is 12th). Even the CATO Institute put Denmark in a higher ranking of overall freedom than the US. I wouldn't mind being a little more like Denmark and the other Nordic nations.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 04:02 PM
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posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Just because they have a surplus doesn't mean they don't have debt. I mean, your picture says Denmark has a national debt of more than 1 trillion DKK, but then you try to 'disprove' my statement of

their national debt has been dramatically reduced.

by directly linking to a website that shows Denmark's debt at 800 billion DKK.

That's a great link you shared too, further indicating your 'meme' is wrong/outdated. Your picture shows 46% of GDP, while your link shows 39.7%. Picture says $28,000/citizen, link says $21,500/citizen.

Meanwhile, the US shows a debt of 104.62% of GDP and $58,500/citizen. You're right, we should be less like Denmark.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: links234

You CLEARLY didn't read those links.

Especially this one.

www.debtclocks.eu...

There is no surplus miss the minus sign in front of those numbers?



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I guess it depends on what year you're talking about. The most recent year, 2015, they had a deficit, but in 2014 they had a surplus.

Denmark Government Budget 1995-2016

So what are we arguing about here? Should America look to be more or less like Denmark? Why just Denmark? We could look at the EU as a whole to compare.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: links234

Classic book cooking.




posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We are already slaves to the banks.


What the banks do is OKed by the gov. NO gov, no fractional reserve banking, which is customary fraud.

Only the gov keeps bankers from getting lynched when their Ponzi Scheme goes broke.

Governemnt is always closer to special interests, always always always.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The Rockefellors came to power when the market was the most free.

What you don't seem to get is the outcome of capitalism is the exact same as socialism. In the case of capitalism the money is consolidated over time to what becomes an oligarchy. The US is now an oligarchy. Where only the rich have the power to persuade policy. That has nothing to do with socialism. It's inevitable. Just like capitalism produced maximum efficiency in labor cost which eliminates jobs.

Socialism does this in a different way where the corrupt politicians are able to control the public and allow their cronies to be wealthy.

What conservatives don't get is the day of classical liberalism in the Republican party are over.

The party has allowed activism through the Christian right, corperatism through cooperate welfare, and interventionist policy to be what the establishment Republican stands for. The establishment Republican loves to take away personal liberty and write moral legislation.



Money can buy whatever is for sale. When there is no government, there is no buying of the govenrmnt.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
I guess Mr. Barkley doesn't feel the Bern.



Oh yeah? Two can play...




posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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Not one of you watched the video, or read the lyrics, did you?????

Please, just - if you agree with it or hate it or whatever....or didn't watch it at all (and if not, why?)....please....just tell me.
This stuff is driving me crazy.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: yorkshirelad


Hilarious hypocrisy thread. In order to defend the status quo of a laissez-faire


Lie

"Among other eye-popping numbers, this year’s edition estimates the total federal regulatory burden at $1.8 trillion per year and growing — the first time ever that the cost of regulation has exceeded half the size of the federal budget.

The Federal Register is a daily digest published by the federal government since 1936. It contains proposed regulations from agencies, finalized rules, notices, corrections, and presidential documents. The 1936 Federal Register was 2,620 pages long. It has grown steadily since then, with the 2012 edition weighing in at 78,961 pages (it has topped 60,000 pages every year for the last 20 years)."

dailycaller.com...

Regulators spent $900 billion to enforce thousands of arbitrary rules.

How is this Laissez-Faire?

Socialists are liars.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: luthier


I believe in a free market but it has never really existed for very long because of the corrupting influence of an oligarchy.


Socialism gives the oligarchy camouflage. Nothing more.


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posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: DBCowboy



With records amounts of money being shoveled into politicians pockets by deep pocket corporations and banks
They seem to agree that government is the solution.

www.theatlantic.com...

The self-reinforcing quality of corporate lobbying has increasingly come to overwhelm every other potentially countervailing force.

It has also fundamentally changed how corporations interact with government—rather than trying to keep government out of its business (as they did for a long time), companies are now increasingly bringing government in as a partner, looking to see what the country can do for them.


This is all true.

That influence is nearly matched by public sector unions and full time tax funded lobbyists for the bureaucracy.

The tax code itself insulates established players from new players accumulating capital which severely attenuates competition.

I think moving the power of the purse back to the states is proper and entirely within reason to effect. It's a viable solution going forward.
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posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: DBCowboy



You want socialism, of course you think it's a horrible example.

But it doesn't change the truth.



It was a horrible example.



Socialism means more government control.

You can't change it back.


Why not?


The only way that it has ever been revered is through violence and revolution.

Unless you can show me where slaves have "voted" to get their chains removed.


You're not grasping what I am talking about. I'm not saying we need to adopt a government or economy based on 100% socialism. We simply need to socialize certain aspects of our most important needs.

If it doesn't work, shut the program down.

It's not that complicated.


That can't be done.

If the gov regulates prices then production is retarded. Regulation is why the electronic industry moved to Japan back in the 1960's, and our auto companies couldn't compete in the 1980's.

If the gov gives money then the prices of the targeted goods will go up, such as has happened with housing prices, college prices, and healthcare prices.

Competition evolves to the lowest price. Anything the gov does is favoritism to established players who don't want competition.



posted on Feb, 13 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: introvert


The real problem here is not capitalism or socialism. It's lazy people that are afraid to make changes in their government but will still bitch and complain about how votes don't matter.


The gov is supposed to be small enough to forget about. Political people are paid by success in growing gov, so political people work full time to increase gov. Nobody gets more by smaller gov, they only get to keep what they already have and don't lose anything.

Bigger gov people working fro more gov and a payday, smaller gov people working to keep what they have, no additional income.

So the gov will grow like a tumor until the system dies.

Society improves by wealth creation be it goods or services. All voting should be people deciding what to do with their increasingly valuable time and what trade for with their accumulating wealth. Then society evolves along the lines of greatest travel. The goal of democracy, no gov needed.


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