The Truth of Sanders is That He Is a Socialist.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: DBCowboy

You said that we had no way to break ourselves free from tyrannical chains and I simply provided constitutional backing as to one way we could do so.

Do you not support the 2nd and it's intent?

Sure.

Would a socialist government allow a 2nd Amendment?

What I speak of does not create a "socialist government" any more than it is today.

The 2nd amendment is granted by the constitution, not the government.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy

Thats a complicated question. Does a militia based army qualify?

How about, just a right to keep and bear arms?

a reply to: introvert

Ok then you would support lifting the machine gun ban, and background checks, and tax stamps on firearms?

Come on now there are no half measures when it comes to constitutional RIGHTS.

Come on now support ending that invasion of privacy the 4th of the background check.

And support ending on the STATE telling us what arms we can own.

Crickets.

I support restoring the second as it was originally meant.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: DBCowboy

You said that we had no way to break ourselves free from tyrannical chains and I simply provided constitutional backing as to one way we could do so.

Do you not support the 2nd and it's intent?

Sure.

Would a socialist government allow a 2nd Amendment?

What I speak of does not create a "socialist government" any more than it is today.

The 2nd amendment is granted by the constitution, not the government.

And like I've said, in the US, we actually HAVE THE FREEDOM to vote away our rights.

ie; voting FOR socialism.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Finland. Switzerland comes close.

It's also about well trained militias. In fact that is just as important as simply owning guns you aren't even that familiar with.

I have a ccl and do a lot of tactical shooting and three gun races. I would say in my years of firearms training about 50 percent of people I have experienced are actually proficient with firearms they own

a reply to: luthier

Switzerland is the only 'socialist' country I like.

Everyone has a fallout shelter.

And they get to keep wait for it.

ASSAULT WEAPONS.

a reply to: neo96

Ok then you would support lifting the machine gun ban, and background checks, and tax stamps on firearms?

Machine gun ban, yes.

Background checks, no. They have been found to be constitutional. www.law.cornell.edu...

Tax stamp, Yes.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy

Finland. Switzerland comes close.

It's also about well trained militias. In fact that is just as important as simply owning guns you aren't even that familiar with.

I have a ccl and do a lot of tactical shooting and three gun races. I would say in my years of firearms training about 50 percent of people I have experienced are actually proficient with firearms they own

Actually, in socialist countries, gun ownership is a privilege granted by the state.

It is not a right.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: luthier

Switzerland is the only 'socialist' country I like.

Everyone has a fallout shelter.

And they get to keep wait for it.

ASSAULT WEAPONS.

Just thought I would recommend a nice aroma for Valentine's day this year.

a reply to: introvert

Actually NO they aren't.

In its 1997 decision in the case, the Supreme Court ruled that the provision of the Brady Act that compelled state and local law enforcement officials to perform the background checks was unconstitutional on 10th amendment grounds.

en.wikipedia.org...

And that background check does violate the 14th amendment right along the second.

Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

www.law.cornell.edu...

The Scotus tries to have it both ways RULED unconstitutional but gets upheld anyway.

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

Both the second ,and the 14th smackdown the background check.

But hey we all know socialists don't care about EQUAL protection under the law, or property RIGHTS.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy

Finland. Switzerland comes close.

It's also about well trained militias. In fact that is just as important as simply owning guns you aren't even that familiar with.

I have a ccl and do a lot of tactical shooting and three gun races. I would say in my years of firearms training about 50 percent of people I have experienced are actually proficient with firearms they own

Actually, in socialist countries, gun ownership is a privilege granted by the state.

It is not a right.

The Swiss have a statutory right to bear arms under Article 3 of the 1997 Weapons Act

a reply to: neo96

Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited..........Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy

Finland. Switzerland comes close.

It's also about well trained militias. In fact that is just as important as simply owning guns you aren't even that familiar with.

I have a ccl and do a lot of tactical shooting and three gun races. I would say in my years of firearms training about 50 percent of people I have experienced are actually proficient with firearms they own

Actually, in socialist countries, gun ownership is a privilege granted by the state.

It is not a right.

The Swiss have a statutory right to bear arms under Article 3 of the 1997 Weapons Act

Nice, but it's still not a right. It's conditional, based on if they have served in the military.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sanders admits to being a Socialist. Not news. Saying that if he gets elected everything will change is pure fear-mongering however. Things will change as drastically as they did when Obama took over - which was not much. As long as Congress and the Senate are controlled by the GOP, the government will continue to do practically nothing. Sanders would be a breath of fresh air in our very stale status-quo - the same status-quo that will be here for the foreseeable future if Hilary gets elected. Either way though, the eventual DEM winner will be worlds better that any out-of-touch clown the GOP has.

a reply to: introvert

Yeah it is UNLIMITED.

Here lets quote it.

Amendment II A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The RIGHT of the STATES to have militias.

The RIGHT of the people themselves.

To keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The background check is an infringement.

It's also a violation of the 9th.

Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

www.law.cornell.edu...

The 'enumerated' powers is being 'construed' bascially meaning 'interpreted' to DENY, and DISPARAGE a clear right.

Same exact meaning as infringe.

Same exact thing when it comes to money.

The STATE has no RIGHT to target a single person or group of people when ever it feels froggie.

Socialists needs to grasp just how unconstitutional their ways are.

a reply to: DBCowboy

It's literally a right to bare arms. It's not the second amendment.

You can even have a machine gun. I would say they have a better chance of using their skills and equipment against tyranny than we do.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

What economic philosopher are you using to come to the end goal of socialism is communism. Go...

"The goal of socialism is communism."

-Vladimir Lenin

Awesome elephant in the room the Sanders sheeple are in complete ignorant denial of.

It's being added to my sig now.

a reply to: neo96

Vermont has no gun laws. You don't need a lisence to carry
Just saying.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy

It's literally a right to bare arms. It's not the second amendment.

You can even have a machine gun. I would say they have a better chance of using there skills and equipment against tyranny than we do.

Yes, I will agree that it is nearly, mostly a right to bear arms.

Just conditional.

And still a privilege granted by government.

a reply to: luthier

IS that so?

Machine Guns It is lawful to possess, purchase, or sell a machine gun that is legally registered and possessed in compliance with all federal laws and regulations.

www.nraila.org...

Yeah they do.

There is no state in the union that is a 'sanctuary city' for guns.

Every gun sold in this country has to comply with FEDERAL LAWS.

Such as the background check that prove have to prove their worth to the FEDS.