The Truth of Sanders is That He Is a Socialist.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: pithos
Capitalism. Socialism. What's the third option?

There is no third option, we must choose.

Black and White again.

Of course there is a third option. We can have a system that uses both capitalism and socialism. We do that today, but we need a bit more socialism.

But once we vote for that "little bit more socialism" we'll never be able to vote it back.

Why can't we? If it's the will of the people it can be done.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: greencmp

Thats not a solution.

You cant let them decide when they dont have anything to decide.

How can they live there lifes if there are no jobs for them with no money?

No job = no money

No money = no food

No food= death.

USA has a population just over 300 million.

What happens when there are only 100 million jobs?

What do you do with the other 200 million ?

You cant just let them starve and die.

Its simple maths.

The only thing to decide is lay down and die or take up arms and take by force from the those who do have jobs.

And if 200 million are starving you think those 200 million wont take up arms against the 100 million?
And when it gets to that sort of uprising/revolutions you get catatrophes like the USSR, cuba,revolutionary france and maoist China.

I see so, you are of the mind that people cannot make decisions for themselves.

It's a very popular idea.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: pithos
Capitalism. Socialism. What's the third option?

There is no third option, we must choose.

Black and White again.

Of course there is a third option. We can have a system that uses both capitalism and socialism. We do that today, but we need a bit more socialism.

But once we vote for that "little bit more socialism" we'll never be able to vote it back.

Why can't we? If it's the will of the people it can be done.

Show me one time where "the people" actually got a smaller government through the ballot box.

Show me how socialism can give up government control willingly.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: pithos
Capitalism. Socialism. What's the third option?

There is no third option, we must choose.

Black and White again.

Of course there is a third option. We can have a system that uses both capitalism and socialism. We do that today, but we need a bit more socialism.

But once we vote for that "little bit more socialism" we'll never be able to vote it back.

Why can't we? If it's the will of the people it can be done.

You say we need "more Socialism"

Explain which areas and HOW...go

a reply to: DBCowboy

Same goes with the oligarchy we keep allowing to have stronger footing with politics.

So what is the solution? Pretend capitalism doesn't end when wealth is consolidated to a decimal and efficiency has errased jobs.

I personally prefer people who just build artifacts to help society. It's seems all so pointless now. Conservatives or socialist it all could end equally badly for the middle class.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: greencmp

So can I therefore conclude that you have no knowledge on the matter and must resort to quotes from a member of the Austrian school? You do know that one of the main arguments against Austrian School economics is that it has become part of US mainstream economics and is a contributing factor to some of our problems today?

Libertarian-style economics will no longer work in the US, or any other country for that matter.

You can conclude that Mises is an exceptional communicator when it comes to explaining the fallaciousness of third way mythology. But yes, you could also conclude that I don't know anything.

As expected, you believe that we have an unhampered market economy. What can you say to someone who believes that the sky is green?

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy

Same goes with the oligarchy we keep allowing to have stronger footing with politics.

So what is the solution? Pretend capitalism doesn't end when wealth is consolidated to a decimal and efficiency has errased jobs.

I personally prefer people who just build artifacts to help society. It's seems all so pointless now. Conservatives or socialist it all could end equally badly for the middle class.

My solution to an oligarchy and ever growing government is to first. . .

STOP MAKING IT BIGGER!

Stop believing the lies that politicians tell you.
Government does NOT care about you.

It never did.

Doesn't matter if it's a socialist, capitalist, communist, olargist.

They really don't care about you.

You are meat. A number. A demographic.

Nothing more.

a reply to: DBCowboy


Well nobody stops is the point. The last Republican made it bigger than Obama. Look at the number of security jobs he created.

The point is its coming from both sides. There is no choice.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy


Well nobody stops is the point. The last Republican made it bigger than Obama. Look at the number of security jobs he created.

The point is its coming from both sides. There is no choice.

You're catching on.

The last 4 years, congress has been led by republicans who got voted in to make government smaller.

They lied.

Even republicans want socialism.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: greencmp

Thats not a solution.

You cant let them decide when they dont have anything to decide.

How can they live there lifes if there are no jobs for them with no money?

No job = no money

No money = no food

No food= death.

USA has a population just over 300 million.

What happens when there are only 100 million jobs?

What do you do with the other 200 million ?

You cant just let them starve and die.

Its simple maths.

The only thing to decide is lay down and die or take up arms and take by force from the those who do have jobs.

And if 200 million are starving you think those 200 million wont take up arms against the 100 million?
And when it gets to that sort of uprising/revolutions you get catatrophes like the USSR, cuba,revolutionary france and maoist China.

Mao let them all die in his collective socialist utopian society, it was hundreds of millions.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I caught on about 20 years ago. That doesn't mean I don't think there is a lesser of two evils.

I have voted libertarian since I was able to vote. This time depending on who the Republican candidate is I may need to vote against him. Just my personal belief of the destruction three of these guys could do with a Republican Congress.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Mao was a fascist dictator not a socialist. There is nothing resembling socialism in Mao's China.

Socialism is what Scandinavian society uses. Some of Europe as well.

a reply to: luthier

The only thing that will change between all of the candidates, is the rate of how fast government will grow.

Under Sanders, it'll grow quickly.
Under Clinton, it'll grow quickly.
Under Trump, it'll grow quickly.
Under Cruz, it'll grow quickly.
Under Bush, it'll grow quickly.

See the difference now?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Sorry but I disagree. There is far more at stake than the economy.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Show me one time where "the people" actually got a smaller government through the ballot box.

Why? I don't have to provide examples for the premise to be true. The people can create any government of any size they wish. It is the will, and action, of the people that matter.

Show me how socialism can give up government control willingly.

Socialism is not a being in and of itself. It is controlled by people.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy


Well nobody stops is the point. The last Republican made it bigger than Obama. Look at the number of security jobs he created.

The point is its coming from both sides. There is no choice.

You're catching on.

The last 4 years, congress has been led by republicans who got voted in to make government smaller.

They lied.

Even republicans want socialism.

This may be the first thing you've ever said that I agree with

a reply to: introvert

Vote for chains, you'll get them.

But it won't be so easy trying to "vote" the chains off.

a reply to: ElectricUniverseWell said.IAlso know people born and raised under Socialism.All of them hate it viscerally and think anyone who wants it for thiscountry is at best a fool,and at worst,a traitor

originally posted by: Esoterotica

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy


Well nobody stops is the point. The last Republican made it bigger than Obama. Look at the number of security jobs he created.

The point is its coming from both sides. There is no choice.

You're catching on.

The last 4 years, congress has been led by republicans who got voted in to make government smaller.

They lied.

Even republicans want socialism.

This may be the first thing you've ever said that I agree with

Comments like that will get me kicked out of the John Birch Society.

Shut up.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: pithos
Capitalism. Socialism. What's the third option?

There is no third option, we must choose.

Black and White again.

Of course there is a third option. We can have a system that uses both capitalism and socialism. We do that today, but we need a bit more socialism.

But once we vote for that "little bit more socialism" we'll never be able to vote it back.

Why can't we? If it's the will of the people it can be done.

You say we need "more Socialism"

Explain which areas and HOW...go

I don't do requests. As has been stated before, if you wish to converse on these topics you must be a bit more respectful in your approach.

a reply to: greencmp

As expected, you believe that we have an unhampered market economy.

I did not say that. Why must you continue to put words in my mouth and make things up? That is not a very intelligent debate tactic.