The Truth of Sanders is That He Is a Socialist.

a reply to: dismanrc

I don't believe anyone knows what path we are headed down at this time in history. I know this much, the group that has been running the country for 40 yrs, giving power to TPTB, is waning. I am one of them. Everyday, someone I know is in the obits. It is up the 30 somethings now to decide which way we go. How will they judge our attempts at war, trade deals,recessions,job and wage stagnation, no retirement plans. Not good I think. I am voting for Bernie.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We are already slaves to the banks. Sorry but I would rather serve a government who's best interest is the people and not a bank who only cares about profits. Bernie was a working class citizen before becoming mayor of Vermont. I trust him far more than any other candidate.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The Rockefellors came to power when the market was the most free.

What you don't seem to get is the outcome of capitalism is the exact same as socialism. In the case of capitalism the money is consolidated over time to what becomes an oligarchy. The US is now an oligarchy. Where only the rich have the power to persuade policy. That has nothing to do with socialism. It's inevitable. Just like capitalism produced maximum efficiency in labor cost which eliminates jobs.

Socialism does this in a different way where the corrupt politicians are able to control the public and allow their cronies to be wealthy.

What conservatives don't get is the day of classical liberalism in the Republican party are over.

The party has allowed activism through the Christian right, corperatism through cooperate welfare, and interventionist policy to be what the establishment Republican stands for. The establishment Republican loves to take away personal liberty and write moral legislation.

a reply to: olaru12

It seems like the less educated are voting for him because they "saw him on that one tv show". He boasts constantly about self funding and how he won't take money from anyone. Yet he himself is apart of big business and wants to enact a tax reform that will yes benefit everyone rich and poor alike but it will take billions away from the government. Which will further lead to the destruction of this country.

a reply to: greencmp

Communism is not socialism. The difference being in socialism everyone owns a piece of the means of production and the people have the right to vote on how the means will benefit them. With communism only a single group/community (governments or banks)owns everything and the people have no say whatsoever.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: dismanrc

I don't believe anyone knows what path we are headed down at this time in history. I know this much, the group that has been running the country for 40 yrs, giving power to TPTB, is waning. I am one of them. Everyday, someone I know is in the obits. It is up the 30 somethings now to decide which way we go. How will they judge our attempts at war, trade deals,recessions,job and wage stagnation, no retirement plans. Not good I think. I am voting for Bernie.

As many have said I may not agree with you. But I spent many years in the military and am will to die to allow you that right.

AND I'm even willing to listen to your ideas. I have even been know to change my mind once in a while. But I don't hink so on this subject. Capitalism may not be the best system in the world, but having lived/worked in socialist run/ or leaning countries I'd rather take my chances on that then Bernie's ideas.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: dismanrc

I don't believe anyone knows what path we are headed down at this time in history. I know this much, the group that has been running the country for 40 yrs, giving power to TPTB, is waning. I am one of them. Everyday, someone I know is in the obits. It is up the 30 somethings now to decide which way we go. How will they judge our attempts at war, trade deals,recessions,job and wage stagnation, no retirement plans. Not good I think. I am voting for Bernie.

As many have said I may not agree with you. But I spent many years in the military and am will to die to allow you that right.

AND I'm even willing to listen to your ideas. I have even been know to change my mind once in a while. But I don't hink so on this subject. Capitalism may not be the best system in the world, but having lived/worked in socialist run/ or leaning countries I'd rather take my chances on that then Bernie's ideas.

a reply to: dismanrc

Well, I am 65 and poor my whole life until the last couple of years. Hard work got me early arthritis and social security, an unexpected inheritance made me well off over night. And that was because my family were homesteaders and got land almost for free.

originally posted by: dismanrc

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: dismanrc

I don't believe anyone knows what path we are headed down at this time in history. I know this much, the group that has been running the country for 40 yrs, giving power to TPTB, is waning. I am one of them. Everyday, someone I know is in the obits. It is up the 30 somethings now to decide which way we go. How will they judge our attempts at war, trade deals,recessions,job and wage stagnation, no retirement plans. Not good I think. I am voting for Bernie.

As many have said I may not agree with you. But I spent many years in the military and am will to die to allow you that right.

AND I'm even willing to listen to your ideas. I have even been know to change my mind once in a while. But I don't hink so on this subject. Capitalism may not be the best system in the world, but having lived/worked in socialist run/ or leaning countries I'd rather take my chances on that then Bernie's ideas.

I believe socialism should work at the local level. State possibly but maybe to large, and federally probably not.

However I am considering voting for Bernie because 1. I think congress will make his policy advancement completely inneffective which is great we don't need the president to be passing any more laws.

2 he will bring light to the fact that the oligarchy runs the show. Maybe the next group will take a second look at being corporate sponsored candidates.

Possibly we get a candidate who believes in classical liberalism to go up against a socialist and we have some better options. As of now the Republicans don't value conservative classical liberal ideology. Which makes the reality there are no strong conservative candidates. Just people disguising themselves as such.

a reply to: luthier

Sure it would work in a small setting. The hippie communes was a prime example of this.

even in small countries like Sweden and Normay it works to a point.

In any country over 10 Million? The odds go down as the population goes up.

Hilarious hypocrisy thread. In order to defend the status quo of a laissez-faire (failing) capitalist system the OP has to state that Sanders is lying by lying !!!!! As per usual (I see it over here in the UK) the "analysis" of socialism and what will happen is totally wrong.

As per fricking usual folks outside the US will be shaking their heads wondering why oh why do you US centric folks talks utter sh.te when all you have to do is open your eyes to what is happening around the world. Examples of democratic governments much farther to the left than Sanders already exist, have existed and will exist in the future. None of the lies stated in the OP have ever happened. Well except in a non democratic dictatorship which labels itself "socialist/communist" in order to appease and control the masses when it is actually working as a capitalist Oligarchy (China is a classic with its offshore banking millionaire party members!!!).

a reply to: MOMof3

The only thing I can say is that you have to grab at the opportunity's life gives you and work with it. You also have to make a choice. Do you really NEED that new 60in tv or new I phone? I went though bankruptcy 25 years ago and learn a few lessons in life.

a reply to: dismanrc

The problem is a Republican president will have Congress to do their bidding. Since they love moral legislation, restricting personal liberty, interventionism, and cooperate welfare that bothers me.

I think Sanders has zero chance of passing his most contentious policies. Even with Democrats. But he will be talking about corruption all the time. Which is good for ralleying people to change that. He also isnt bought and paid for. Which is why he probably won't get enough superdelegates.

a reply to: dismanrc

I went through bankruptcy in 2007. My husband went from a healthy construction worker to a paralyzed invalid in four days. When we left hospital after 2 months we owed 295,000 with three kids. I had to stop working to take care of him. We never received a penny of welfare from anyone,private or public. Does that make you feel good.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse>>>> Sanders admits he's a socialist. And while I think he would almost certainly be a bad POTUS, he'd at least be an honest one. Hillary is a sell out and is a pawn of the NWO globalists and Bankers. The same bunch that own Obama completely. The Bushes worked for them as well but were higher up in the pecking order than the Clintons who had to be brought on board.
Trump is possibly on the level and there's hope his hubris and arrogance will prevent his being manipulated and compromised the way the last 4 POTUS have been. And he at least has some populist ideas.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Promoting the well being of all humanity around the world... That's the motto the Rockefeller foundation has in it's front page...

Right! And you have a problem with this - why?

BTW, one of my best friends defected from Cuba back in the 80s. He still retains and celebrates his nationality - and he is VOTING FOR and advocating for SANDERS. Frequently, and vocally, and on Social Media.


Whatever happened to you (whether real or imagined) has caused some marked PTSD.
I really think you are perpetually hysterical, and I know that you are catastrophizing. It's sad really.
You just don't seem to pay attention to facts - but only to the hysterical voice in your mind that tells you Sanders is a commie; he has said NOTHING about "taking control of everything." NOTHING. NOT ONE THING, ever.

Why do you persist in this Chicken-Little fallacy?
Don't you want to relax about it?

The moral of the Chicken-Little story, in case you never heard it or understood it:

Chicken Little focuses on a little chicken who overreacts and causes a big commotion over nothing. The moral of the basic story is to not overreact and don't believe everything you're told. The story revolves around mass hysteria as the chicken little continuously says, "The sky is falling!".

The moral is to not panic. Chicken Little thought the sky was falling when an acorn fell on her head, and was terrified for no reason. If she'd been calmer and more rational she would not have been afraid.

The moral of chicken little is to always keep your head and don't panic and have courage. The world is full of people who become alarmed at every provication but it doesn't mean anything bad will happen.

And then there's this, which might help you understand it better:

"Chicken Little" is folktale about a chicken who believes the sky is falling when an acorn falls on his head. There are many versions of the tale but basically Chicken Little, a not too bright chick, retells his story to the other animals including Goosey Loosey, Turkey Lurkey, Cocky Lockey and Ducky Lucky.

One of the animals, Foxy Loxy, takes advantage of the hysteria and reinforces the erroneous message that the world is coming to an end. Of course the beliefs that caused the hysteria were based on supposition and ignorance which led to fear and hysteria. Which brings us to FOX News and the messages they repeat.

Please try to calm down....how many people will it take to tell you that your thinking is delusional until you believe it? I know you think that those of us supporting Sanders are delusional.....
unfortunately, we are the ones paying attention to FACTS of what he is saying. You are not.

Capitalism. Socialism. What's the third option?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

He embodies Lenin and Marx. Enough said.

There are absolutely zero candidates worth anything this selection cycle.

I go with my gut most of the time on things like this, and this guy is bad news.

originally posted by: pithos
Capitalism. Socialism. What's the third option?

We will need one by the end of the century if not next 50 years.

Space minning and 3d Printing will make most resources cheap and most manufacturing jobs obsolete.

before anyone gets all excited about bernie sanders, i would suggest doing a google search of bernie sanders wife as a college president and the corruption involved. bernie is as corrupt as the rest.