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Boeing to launch MoM

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posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 10:44 AM
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Boeing plans to launch the Middle of Market, clean sheet design by the end of the year. The aircraft is expected to fly in 2022, giving them six years to go from design to first flight. The aircrarft will be designed to fill the gap between the Max 9, and the 787, replacing the 757. Boeing has been in talks for two years with airlines and potential buyers about the project. It will combine the range and payload of a 767-200 type aircraft, with the economics of the 737-800 type aircraft. It may include a new fuselage shape, and potentially new engines as well.


Despite spending months pleading for patience, Boeing executives are now telling employees a launch decision for a new airliner aimed at the “middle of the market” (MOM) could be made by the end of the year.

In an all-hands meeting with employees on 10 February in Seattle, Boeing Commercial Airplanes chief executive Ray Conner said the new project could be launched as early as 2016, sources say.

Since at least 2012, Boeing has identified a gap in the market between the single-aisle 737 Max 9 and the twin-aisle 787-8. A two-year series of discussions with customers revealed a consensus for an aircraft with about 20% more range and payload than a 757-200.

www.flightglobal.com...




posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Is the aeronautic business as brutal as the consumer electronics business or the automotive business? I know a bit about the latter two but is it a worthwhile investment? when Porsche make a car that is quicker than a Boxster but not as quick as a 911 you got a Cayman-and nobody wants a Cayman.

But then again aviation manufacturers are not a dime a dozen so Boeing could win some fleet contracts and fill the gap that other manufacturers have yet to explore.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

It gets pretty cut throat, especially with the amounts of money thrown around. As for the investment, yeah, this is a good route to go. Currently, the aircraft flying those routes is a 30+ year old design. There are 737s that have the same range, but it's not worth it to fly them. Some 737s can carry similar loads, but the economics aren't there to do it. A larger aircraft would lose money as well.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 02:05 PM
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I can see this giving rise to the mom of all memes now.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Odd that they announce this out of the blue, especially with that recent announcement from the new Russian company for their ambitions.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Can't waite to see Boeing's mini 787.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

They've been talking about it for about a year now. They weren't in any rush to roll it out, but there was a lot of interest from various airlines and leasing companies.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: Sammamishman

I can't wait to see if they go with an ellipse instead of a tube.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

That would be cool. I'll be there when they roll her out one way or the other.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 07:42 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Do you think they made the announcement now after seeing the russian company announcement?



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: grey580

No. They have been talking about launching something soon, but after the 777X gets started. I think they're comfortable with that design at this point that they were going to announce it regardless of that.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:20 PM
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I can't wait to see if they go with an ellipse instead of a tube.

Hhhhmmm blended wing.....



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: Blackfinger

Not likely. They'll stick with tube and wings designs. The blended wing isn't passenger friendly for those farther away from the center of rotation. It also means less window seats. Works for cargo, not so much for airlines.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

When you say, "the economics of a 737-800 type craft", can you briefly remark on the advantages relative to other craft? Thanks in advance.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Operating cost relative to the amount of seats/payload available. The airlines use the term Cost per Available Seat Mile (CASM) to quantify airline productivity, operating costs, and the impact of the intersection of both of those things on the bottom line of all revenue flights for each type of plane they own.

For example, US airlines are going crazy at the idea of replacing their domestic 757s with 737-900s because the -900s offer almost the same amount of available seats but cost a fraction of what it costs to operate the 757 on the same route. Airlines have reported that the CASM of their 737-900s are the best of any other plane they own. The pilots don't really like them at all, but the airlines love them.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: BeefNoMeat

The number of passengers, plus cargo that you can transport over the route distance, and the amount of fuel used. A 737 type craft can carry as many passengers as a 757, and go as far as a 757, but the 757 has better economics for the same distance. A 737 is one of the best economically for a short range aircraft, but when you get into the MoM range between the 737 and the larger aircraft like the 787, it drops off quite a bit compared to the 757.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: justwanttofly
a reply to: Zaphod58

Appreciate the responses. Thanks!



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:41 AM
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Pratt&Whitney is in talks with Boeing to use a Geared Turbofan to power the aircraft once it reaches that stage.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Any word on projected ranges?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if they can give it 787 range, this thing will be the biggest game changer to hit the international market since the 747 because of all the new city pairings that would now be profitable with the smaller airframe.

Think secondary asian cities like Chongqing, Sapporo, or FukuokaNYC/London/Paris/LA, or direct routings between the southern hemisphere and northern cities. It'll be huge if they give it the legs...




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