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Government Panel Recommends Depression Screening For Adolescents

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posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: truthseeker84
Well, the thing is, when I purchased my firearm, I did go through all the background checks and mental stability check.

But the mental stability check part was kind of retarded in a way. What I mean, is that all they do is check for mental illness medical records and history. If you don't have it, then you're good to go.

That, doesn't mean that I'm not mentally ill today or tomorrow...

Perhaps, they should do it in a way, where you go through a series of test first to determine if you are sane and not mentally ill in any way. Then subsequently, firearm owners must go through mandatory annual training, maybe once or twice about firearm safety and the such. Then on top of that, annual screening of mental stability.

I don't know, I'm not sure if I'm correct to say that, but I just feel that we should keep and bear arms. Even Open Carry, I'm for it. Conceal Carry, yes please, Open Carry? Why not?



Typical backwards Kalifornian thinking. I declare you mentally unstable.


LoL, fair enough. I did say I'm kind of leaning on both sides when it comes to this issue.

But did you notice that people that advocate gun rights and the such, never choose to address the "Brady Bill Loophole" problem?

So are we really helping the situation or are we ourselves, in denial?

What makes you think it's correct, that ANYONE can just buy a firearm from a gun's trade show without background check and mental stability check?




posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

He did not get Hep B. Adverse effects... who knows what was lurking there. But is that really the point? The point here is forced vaccination. I know many people feel it is not a bad thing. Consider the live polio vaccine www.vaclib.org...


The polio vaccine developed by Jonas Salk was a killed virus vaccine. The oral polio vaccine developed by Albert Sabin and until recently used routinely in the United States, is a live virus vaccine. Public health authorities acknowledge the fact the it can and does produce paralytic polio in a small number of recipients. Yet, they promoted it over the safer Salk vaccine because it is easier to "sell" parents on a one-time regimen of an oral vaccine over an injected vaccine where "booster" doses are recommended. The oral vaccine is also said to confer "herd immunity". Vaccine recipients infect unvaccinated persons, thus increasing the immunity of the "herd".
What is the risk of contracting naturally occurring polio? According to Jonas Salk, the current live virus polio vaccine developed by Dr. Albert Sabin was "the principal if not the sole cause of the 140 vaccine cases reported in the U.S. since 1961. At the present time the risk of acquiring polio from the live virus vaccine is greater than from naturally occurring viruses."





A chilling legacy of the live polio vaccine may be the virus associated with AIDS. Edward Hooper's book "The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS" suggests that AIDS may be the result of a live virus polio vaccine administered in Africa in the 1950s. According to Hooper, the vaccine may have been contaminated with a simian (monkey) virus. This virus is thought to have evolved into the HIV virus.


But then who cares about the 140 people who contracted it? The socialists who keep insisting that one child gone hungry is a travesty? Why don't they take their own ideas seriously when the agenda doesn't suit them?

then theres all the mercury and formaldehyde which are components of Hep B and likely many others

Anyway I was just using the forced vaccine thing as an example of how mandates forcing such things are going on, are carried on in subtle ways, possibly preparing the way for more drastic measures. They know many people will not fight it if it doesn't see too bad on the surface. And my even bigger point about the Hep B is that they used public education as clout to force people into doing it. IE your kid doesn't go to school unless he has the vaxx

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posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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This is why you all need some universal healthcare.

Ya see, when you gotta rely on insurance companies you're at the mercy of a corporate industry, and they will do everything they can to assess your physical and mental health because that is how they make their financial decisions. Of course they'll want to charge more for the sad sacks, in case one of you's decides to go with a life and body divorce and fail, meaning someone's gotta foot the bill for your stomach pump and impending imprisonment in the Laughing Academy.

When your healthcare comes from taxes (shut up I pay over 21k a year in income tax and do you see me whining? No, because the two times I've had to be rushed to hospital, I was all patched up and put back together with top quality surgeons at no charge and no need to claim insurance which is a guaranteed pain in the arsehole) then you negate the whole corporate profit hunting factor, which means, you won't have to submit to all these invasive health tests.

One day you guys will come around and when you do, I'll be waiting for you with a big fat I told you so)



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:22 PM
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Not depressed...PISSED.

These fools were voted into office to *represent us* - they think we voted them into office to *rule* us.

#NoMoreCareerPoliticians

#TraitorsAreCancerToOurCountry



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:27 PM
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Nobody is screening me.

They'll have to kill me first.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 10:32 PM
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China told us to disarm right after Sandy Hook.
The UN passed their small arms treaty.
Fast and Furious was one of a series of events designed to make Americans fear and loathe guns and spanned the whole of Obama's administration.
Giffords Shooting, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Boston , Navy yard shooter, Klackamas mall, Sikh temple - events happening like clockwork.
Too many events like those in too short a period to be authentic, not assisted or carried out by some government contractor.
Just add Obamacare and now they're demanding universal testing for depression starting in 1st grade.

Those who have denied Obama wants to disarm all Americans are assisting his treason.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 10:37 PM
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The deliberate systematic end run around the US constitution.

The ACA and it's data hub.

Obama's EO's on guns.

Now mandatory 'depression' screenings ?

I am sure a doctor will say whatever the hell the administration wants it too or no ACA/Medicare/Medicaid funding for you.

I think the administration needs a mandatory screening.

After all the people it's killed over the last eight years.

Between arming terrorists, running GUNS to Mexican Drug Cartels, and Droning.

I think the administration needs to be declared a menace to society and locked up in an INSANE asylum.
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posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: roaland
once you allow a govt to get away with forcing Americans to buy healthcare, you can expect the govt to eventually mandate what the American people eat and do under the guise of helping to keep down the cost of healthcare. The govt forcing a citizen to do anything is a very bad idea IMHO
Once government was allowed to force anyone to buy anything, the snowball got rolling. So, we were doomed from the start. This will all stop 200 years in the future when people start to learn about social contracts. Yeah ummm, I never signed a contract with the government saying I'll pay them $X for services A, B, and C.

The majority of the world's suffering will end when people understand that concept. No Kennedy, I'm ask what America can do for me and then offer them something back in return as per standard contract law. I did not sign the US constitution, nor have I sworn an oath to it.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

I do not disagree with you, however most American do not trust our government when it comes to screening us.

We cannot trust them, the government has passed legislation given them the right to have or look into your medical records anytime they please, specially people like me and thousands more who have no problems of exposing government corrupt on the internet.

The fact is there is a large group of political people in America who want all guns removed and would like nothing better than to see the second amendment removed.

Read about how the Russia government was able to control the population by use of psychiatry and how easy it was for them to brand people who opposed to being oppressed by a tyrannical government and branding many people mentally ill.

We cannot trust a corrupt government to handle screening all Americans for depression when one of their main agendas is to remove guns from our country.

One good way to do this, is the government would create a data base for all the people that the government deem to suffer from any form of depression and classifying it a mental illness.

Now we are talking about maybe hundreds of millions of Americans, that cannot buy guns because of the different forms of depression that will be deem a metal illness.
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posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: Byrd

I do not disagree with you, however most American do not trust our government when it comes to screening us.

We cannot trust them, the government has passed legislation given them the right to have or look into your medical records anytime they please, specially people like me and thousands more who have no problems of exposing government corrupt on the internet.

The fact is there is a large group of political people in America who want all guns removed and would like nothing better than to see the second amendment removed.

Read about how the Russia government was able to control the population by use of psychiatry and how easy it was for them to brand people who opposed to being oppressed by a tyrannical government and branding many people mentally ill.

We cannot trust a corrupt government to handle screening all Americans for depression when one of their main agendas is to remove guns from our country.

One good way to do this, is the government would create a data base for all the people that the government deem to suffer from any form of depression and classifying it a mental illness.

Now we are talking about maybe hundreds of millions of Americans, that cannot buy guns because of the different forms of depression that will be deem a metal illness.




Good points. Paradigm engineering.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: Informer1958
So ATS what your opinion to the government wanting all Americans to be screened for depression?


My opinion is that your original source, TownHall.com, is lying (what a surprise, it is their habit after all). No one is recommending depression screening for all americans.

Final Recommendation Statement: Screening for Depression in Children and Adolescents


Patient Population Under Consideration

This recommendation applies to children and adolescents aged 18 years or younger who do not have a diagnosis of MDD. This recommendation focuses on screening for MDD and does not address screening for other depressive disorders, such as minor depression or dysthymia.


Also, if you really look at this, the recommendation is a "B" Grade service, meaning it's a recommended offering that primary care physicians should be considering. There is no recommendation that it be a mandatory screening... as Ron Paul lied about.

It was rather suspicious that the article by Ron Paul didn't have any links to the actual recommendation, because then you'd know he was lying. When did Ron Paul become a shrill doom-porn alarmist for the Axel Jones audience?








(Yeah, I know it's Alex, I like Axel better)

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posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I just did a little research on one of my multiple search engine, and perhaps I should have done this before I made this thread. I believe you are correct in your statement that Town Hall.com is lying.

I agree with you.

However I did find this below but it does not support Town Hall.com

All Americans Should Be Screened For Depression, Panel Recommends


By Andrew M. Seaman

(Reuters Health) - U.S. adults should be screened for depression, according to a proposal from a government-backed panel of medical experts.

With this proposal, the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force broadens its 2009 recommendation that adults be screened in doctors' offices if staff-assisted depression care is available.

"We believe all clinical practices should be able to put those systems in place," said Dr. Kirsten Bibbins-Domingo, the USPSTF's co-vice chair.

"This is a recommendation to screen all adults in the primary care setting, including pregnant and postpartum women," said Bibbins-Domingo, who is also affiliated with the University of California, San Francisco.

About 7 percent of people in the U.S. met criteria for a depressive disorder between 2009 and 2012, according to a review of evidence the panel conducted before making its proposal.

The benefits of effective screening and treatment for depression in the U.S. population are likely significant, Bibbins-Domingo told Reuters Health.


www.huffingtonpost.com...

By no means Americans don't have to be screen if they do not want to, it is only a recommendation.

However knowing how dishonest out government can be, who is to say they are not creating a data base on all Americans that have been diagnosed of suffering from some form of depression.

Also many of us are aware of the grown political movement to ban guns in this country and what better way of removing millions of gun owners that will not have the right to buy guns, IF the government decides later that many Americans that are diagnosed depressed may become a mental illness.

Seeing how things are declining in government and trust, we must make sure screening patients will not be abuse by government who spy on all of us, to be used in a political ploy of removing our second amendment rights.

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posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 12:49 AM
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a reply to: Informer1958

That additional bit is a recommendation to screen for depression IF the primary care physician has the staff and capabilities to do so.

IT IS NOT MANDATORY

Your thread title is a lie, taken from a lie being circulated by Ron Paul, from a heavily biased source.


And I'm not aware of any political movement to ban guns as well.


I'm going to modify the thread title to reflect reality.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord


IT IS NOT MANDATORY



Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I just did a little research on one of my multiple search engine, and perhaps I should have done this before I made this thread. I believe you are correct in your statement that Town Hall.com is lying.

I agree with you.


Perhaps you didn't read my post, that I agreed with you and your findings

I had no idea that Ron Paul was behind any of this.

Furthermore after you posted to me I realized I made a mistake and I own up to my mistake.

If you feel this bad about it, then I have no problems of you removing this thread

Your angry responses was unnecessary.


And I'm not aware of any political movement to ban guns as well.


Perhaps you are not paying attention to Obama's pen stokes of using Executive Orders on gun control and the Lobbyist who support it.

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posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 06:08 AM
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originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: Informer1958
So ATS what your opinion to the government wanting all Americans to be screened for depression?


My opinion is that your original source, TownHall.com, is lying (what a surprise, it is their habit after all). No one is recommending depression screening for all americans.

Final Recommendation Statement: Screening for Depression in Children and Adolescents


Patient Population Under Consideration

This recommendation applies to children and adolescents aged 18 years or younger who do not have a diagnosis of MDD. This recommendation focuses on screening for MDD and does not address screening for other depressive disorders, such as minor depression or dysthymia.


Also, if you really look at this, the recommendation is a "B" Grade service, meaning it's a recommended offering that primary care physicians should be considering. There is no recommendation that it be a mandatory screening... as Ron Paul lied about.

It was rather suspicious that the article by Ron Paul didn't have any links to the actual recommendation, because then you'd know he was lying. When did Ron Paul become a shrill doom-porn alarmist for the Axel Jones audience?


I was wondering about this. I didn't thoroughly research it but I suspected that because everything I could find about mandatory screenings traced back to the Ron Paul article that it was questionable. That is to say that this is not something that is being officially reported. Not that it's not something that could happen.

I didn't think the Obamacare individual mandate could ever happen.

But here we are.

This is upside down. I'm in my 40s and I have never had to talk about politics in a doctor's office in my life.

Do I believe this mandatory depression screening thing? Not really. But it wouldn't surprise me at all. I think Ron Paul and these other people are given to sounding the alarm bells at the first hint of trouble. The truth is often not quite as bad as they predict. But it doesn't mean it won't eventually happen. It just means that if/when it does, it will probably be much more anticlimactic and that we'll probably be taken off guard by it.

I was not even paying attention. I didn't know anything about the Obamacare individual mandate until Obama had signed the bill into law. This is a law that requires me and everyone else to swim in red tape for the rest of our lives and I didn't know anything about it until someone told me I was going to have to buy insurance because I wasn't legally allowed to live without it. If that can happen, anything can. Yes. People should be paying attention to what's going on in politics. Millions of people weren't. And still aren't.
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posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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that would describe 50% of them. So they'll sell a lot of riddiline that way.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 09:23 AM
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This would seem to have all sorts of room for abuse. By design excluding certain individuals by false findings and reports. In other words, government agencies framing or falsely making claims that result in a person targeted or silenced.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: Plotus
This would seem to have all sorts of room for abuse. By design excluding certain individuals by false findings and reports. In other words, government agencies framing or falsely making claims that result in a person targeted or silenced.

No.

The original story on which this thread was based is a lie. No government agency is involved in mental screening for depression.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: Informer1958
Perhaps you are not paying attention to Obama's pen stokes of using Executive Orders on gun control and the Lobbyist who support it.

That's not BANNING guns. You tried to tie the fallacy of the government banning guns (implying all guns) to the alarmist pack of lies from Ron Paul.



I had no idea that Ron Paul was behind any of this.

His name is in the byline of the story. Always check your sources.



posted on Feb, 12 2016 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: JimNasium




Do You mean "Seasonal Affective Disorder"?


Well there is that to, but I am talking about a time when it could be summer and beautiful not a cloud in the sky, but you have situations in life that are causing "situational depression". So let's say you are normal one week but then next week your wife and child die in a car accident, now you have grief based depression which would be normal unless you have a Vulcan type personality, and then you have to get tested, let's say testing is every three years.
The results would see you have to turn your guns in.
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