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Bernie Wins New Hampshire but The Lame Strean Media Says Hilary Got the Delegates

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posted on Feb, 10 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

A problem that Americans need to overcome to start to improve this country is to start to be able to think in the long term. Past election cycles. The problem with politics and why things are so broken all the time is because every time a good idea is implemented, the other side rips it apart whenever it gets a chance. This goes for both sides of the aisle. So fixes are only in the short term because we don't hold politicians legally or criminally responsible for their mistakes in office. There's no incentive to do it.

This isn't a thing just with politicians either. The American public is just as guilty of this thinking as well. That's why we have the six year itch and voter fatigue. voters get tired of one type of politics then vote in the other type. Thus walking back many of the gains, or watering them down from the previous administration.

If Americans could overcome this hurdle, we'd get our country back on track. However, humans are fickle. Americans especially so. So fat chance of that happening.
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posted on Feb, 10 2016 @ 08:24 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Thanks enlightenedservant for providing that information! That clears things up a bit.

However, given your source, Russia Today, I must ask the question: Why do the Russians know more about our political system than we do?


-dex



posted on Feb, 10 2016 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agree wholeheartedly. It's actually a part of American economic culture too, with the constant emphasis on quarterly earnings as opposed to long term growth. I usually blame the fickleness on over-stimulation. There are simply too many things that distract us from politics. Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't say "too many". We're in probably the most advanced civilizations that humankind has ever produced. We can learn about the entire world's cultures, languages, time periods, and different forms of entertainment all from a computer screen. So it's not really surprising that admittedly boring things like daily politics and bureaucracies don't keep our collective attention.

But you're right that we have to find ways to overcome this if we ever want to change this system. I could actually see something as simple as an ATM-type system that's linked to our voting system, and uses our biometric data for us to log in. And every week or so, citizens log in and are presented with 10-30 different choices. Each choice can have a basic explanation and we just pick an option. Those results would then dictate our policy decisions. Quick & easy democracy without the need for all this hoopla lol.

Oh, as for the OP: A good thing about superdelegates is that they don't actually count until the Democratic convention. And even if a person has pledged support for one candidate, they can always change their vote. So we can always apply a lot of public pressure on the specific superdelegates to get them to support the winners of the popular vote. This could be especially effective for the superdelegates who are currently in office and may be seeking reelection this cycle.



posted on Feb, 10 2016 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: DexterRiley

The ignorance is by design. We can't change a system if you don't know anything about it. How many people know that many State and local elected positions only have basic requirements like being 25 or 30 yrs old, a set number of years of residency in that district, and a small application fee?

This is what they mean by "knowledge is power".



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Well that's cool. See I've never been a Democrat, so the Democrat primary process is new to me.

What we really need to happen is Bernie pull an upset in S. Carolina or Nevada. THAT would really shake things up in the race and may even loosen Hillary's death grip on those superdelegates.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 08:57 AM
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If we see 2 brokered conventions this year and people still do not wake up we are lost as a country. I am not even a Bernie Fan and what happened is ridiculous. The DNC is worse than the GOP....



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: Medicator

I hope you come to realize the major difference in the Democratic and Republican Party, because this speaks volumes to that. In the Democratic Party it doesn't matter who the people elect, they will decide. In the Republican Party, even though they HATE Trump, if the people end up electing him, they will honor it.

The Super Delegate Problem is primarily a Democrat Party Problem, because they don't view you as their equals.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: MrSpad




For some reason the GOP and DNC have this odd primary system where rules very from state to state.


From what I have seen: when things are complicated when they don't have to be, its usually to hide things.

I think the DNC and GOP put on a Machiavellian show to appease the people into thinking they are part of the process.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: matafuchs


In the overall delegate count, Clinton holds a commanding lead after a razor-thin victory in Iowa and a shellacking in New Hampshire. Clinton has 394 delegates, both super and electorally assigned, to only 42 for Sanders.

Read more: dailycaller.com...


And this is why I am so pissed off, of how easy it is for them to rig this election.

Our votes don't count!

With Hillary getting 394 votes before any voting is even cast. Supper Delegates my ( snip ) This should be illegal.

The government has already chosen their new puppet and We The People do not have any say or vote in this corrupt process.

We need to do away with the Super Delegates once for all.


You can not make it illegal for an organization to decide how they choose a candidate. They could do it based on how many baskets each could make and it would not be illegal. You can not regulate how a Boy Scout Troop, a company or political party goes about choosing who represents them. Interesting you would prefer government interference.


You can't be genuinely surprised that a Sanders supporter prefers government intervention..


Hey guys, guess what? Ron Paul got robbed in a very similar manner, THRICE! Funny how you all dismissed Paul, but now you're crying that Bernie's own party (well he's running for their nomination, anyway - so yes, he is a Dem) is giving him the shaft. Such uninformed hypocrisy.
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posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
The Democrat Party splits the delegates on percentage of vote and super delegates go where they want to.


So, in other words, the Democratic party is rigged for Hillary. She's buying the Super delegates while Bernie is playing honest. There's a special place in hell for Hillary, along with the women who don't vote for her per Madeline Albright. Enjoy having Hillary as POTUS for the next eight years, America. For those of you who think things are bad under Obama, you ain't seen nothin' yet.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: PsychoEmperor
a reply to: Medicator

I hope you come to realize the major difference in the Democratic and Republican Party, because this speaks volumes to that. In the Democratic Party it doesn't matter who the people elect, they will decide. In the Republican Party, even though they HATE Trump, if the people end up electing him, they will honor it.

The Super Delegate Problem is primarily a Democrat Party Problem, because they don't view you as their equals.


I'm sorry, but that's bolshevik. The RNC stripped Ron Paul of nearly half of his delegates, with new rules created on the fly, seemingly for the purpose of preventing Dr Paul from getting the GOP nomination. Both parties are corrupt as hell, and both will produce the candidate that party leadership feels has the best chance of besting the other corrupt party, regardless of the common vote or delegate counts.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: TinkerHaus

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor
a reply to: Medicator

I hope you come to realize the major difference in the Democratic and Republican Party, because this speaks volumes to that. In the Democratic Party it doesn't matter who the people elect, they will decide. In the Republican Party, even though they HATE Trump, if the people end up electing him, they will honor it.

The Super Delegate Problem is primarily a Democrat Party Problem, because they don't view you as their equals.


I'm sorry, but that's bolshevik. The RNC stripped Ron Paul of nearly half of his delegates, with new rules created on the fly, seemingly for the purpose of preventing Dr Paul from getting the GOP nomination. Both parties are corrupt as hell, and both will produce the candidate that party leadership feels has the best chance of besting the other corrupt party, regardless of the common vote or delegate counts.


This is true. Both parties put in who they want, they just utilize different methods to get there. It's like a shell game. I'm telling you, it will end up being Hillary Clinton vs Jeb Bush in the general. Somehow, they'll rig and finagle the process to get that matchup.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 11:38 AM
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SO Bernie did all the work and Hillary lost, but she gets the benefits.

Socialism.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: TinkerHaus

But the votes went to mitt what happened is Ron Paul supporters tried to grab the delegates sent by the states. The delegates were supposed to vote for the winner buy Ron Paul supporters thought otherwise. Its exactly the same thing that happened in the democratic party. The delegates chose to vote for Hillary contrary to the vote. The democrats allowed this the republicans didnt . Grabbing delegates at the convention after the vote when they are supposed to be committed is wrong.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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didnt this sort of happen in 2008 election? Hillary got popular vote and Obama got more delegates/super delegates? may be wrong but i think i remember this coming up before or am i getting it wrong?



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Interesting. You're absolutely correct. Wikipedia says she got 17,857,501 votes to Obama's 17,584,692. But he got 2,285.5 delegates (with 478 superdelegates) to her 1,973 delegates (with 246.5 superdelegates). Maybe that's why she's trying so hard to get the endorsements and superdelegates this time?

Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2008



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
SO Bernie did all the work and Hillary lost, but she gets the benefits.

Socialism.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

(facepalm) This has nothing to do with socialism. In fact, if the endorsements came because of gifts, financial help, and an exchange of favors, it's more like an example of bartering.



posted on Feb, 14 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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How can one be aware of this and still vote democrat? Honestly, it is a thanks for your input "vote." Pretty much along the lines of when my parents asked what new car they should get when I was a child and said a Lamborghini. They asked but they knew in advance i wasn't a real factor.



posted on Feb, 19 2016 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: TinkerHaus

But the votes went to mitt what happened is Ron Paul supporters tried to grab the delegates sent by the states. The delegates were supposed to vote for the winner buy Ron Paul supporters thought otherwise. Its exactly the same thing that happened in the democratic party. The delegates chose to vote for Hillary contrary to the vote. The democrats allowed this the republicans didnt . Grabbing delegates at the convention after the vote when they are supposed to be committed is wrong.


This is only true of some states, in other states Ron Paul earned both the popular vote and the delegates, and was still robbed. In Massachusetts Paul won 17 of 30 delegates, and those delegates were later coerced illegally into supporting Romney. Additionally, Paul had 6 from the floor pluralities, which should have allowed him a 15 minute speech - when this was apparent the RNC changed the rules at the last minute, raising the requirement from 6 to 8, and told Ron Paul he would only be allowed to speak if he came out in support of Mitt Romney and instructed his delegates to support Romney.



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