So rich going to have to accept less or have it taken from them?

originally posted by: Indigent
a reply to: buster2010

You seem to know very little about Communism.

wanna come to live in Venezuela with me?

Umm How is the socialism/communism working for you down there? You all should have the best of everything by now.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Indigent

Poor people always complaining on how hard they work and how the lazy one percenters got rich by being corrupt.

So a person working 60 or 70 hours a week should be happy they aren't able to pay their bills? And you don't become one percent without being corrupt that's common knowledge.

Get real people, hard work and big risk still gets you big rewards some times, working for a paycheck 40 hours a week will get you the same paycheck every week

You should work as a snake oil salesman. Not everyone wants to be wealthy they just want to be able to provide for their families and a 40 hour job should pay for that.

Sense when has a 40 hour a week job paid for anything? Let me tell you... NEVER. The 40 hour work week was a shame put forth by unions and socialist. It was not until AFTER WWI that the work week dropped below 50+ hours a week. (By the way that was AT work, most also had about 3 hours of work EVERY DAY at home that needed done.) Umm rise of the socialist idea, then the "idea" of shorter work weeks just a couple years later? Just thinking...

Also a fact that we work way more then the people did in the Middle Ages.

a reply to: dismanrc

Who pays you to spread this philosophy that we can't be better?

a reply to: Astyanax

Read or watch anything about the passing of the bill. Tauzin and all the supporters were given hundreds of thousands of dollars, and million dollar lobbying positions with the pharma companies that wrote the bill afterwards. And the whole vote went on for 12 hours after polling during which time it was described by others present to be a period of bribing and threatening by the group who were paid off. I don't do it justice, please, look it up, and see how bills become laws, and who really holds the power in this country. As if you didn't know.

originally posted by: MOMof3


a reply to: dismanrc

Who pays you to spread this philosophy that we can't be better?

Never said we can't be better. I just live in the real world and don't believe in Santa Clause giving me every thing I need.

Believe it or not I have NO issues with helping people out in need. I don't have an big issue with the idea of welfare, just the way we manage it.

You need help? Then you work at any job you can and we supplement you and help you with training for a limited time. You don't want to work? We give you a cot and three basic meals a day, that's it. Nothing else. You put effort into the system and we help, you want slide by? Hope you like your cot and gruel.

Dump Social Security and get the government out of the retirement business. Have the people put that same money into a 401K or TSP account (Same plan government employees use.) The people control the money. Sure I would even say have part of the old SS branch of government be a watchdog group to keep an eye on it, BUT with NO direct government control of the money. Sure you would have to phase this in to account for people already on SS, but in 15-20 yeares the government would be out of it.

Just a quick couple of ideas to make a system that works. Problem is all this is focused on self reliance and building the idea that you help yourself, not on government handouts. The government is here to help NOT support.

a reply to: dismanrc

And the government would not need to interfere, If We the People really cared about each other and the survival of our country. How has war helped, how has polluting our environment helped, how has a friendly tax schedule to corps helped, how has ripping our schools apart helped. Getting rid of the federal government is not an option. That is crap people like the Bundy's have been spreading. But if we don't need government, they can become obsolete like dinosaurs.

Of course, if people can't be rich, it will absolutely destroy Bernie-nomics. He is depending on having rich people around to pay for all the rest of us who are losers.

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: dismanrc

While they are partying away some mom working her ass off nightly is deciding on dinner or medicine for her children.

This is not ok and worth the fight to change.

And for every one rich person parting you have 5000 "poor" people doing the same thing, just with beer instead of the high end stuff. Whats the point? Oh I know what it is. While that 5000 is parting in their basement and supporting NO one. The rich guy is probaly paying 50-100 people to serve is drinks and make his food. Probably even more because he had to hire the guys to setup the place, the gardener to do the yard. The security to keep us low lives out. the guys to tear it all down again. Don't forget the "extra" thing. The new will be there and they will have to pay THIER people and the people that distribute the news, IE network, internet etc etc.

But of course NONE of those people that have a job because of this has any kids to take care of or medicine to buy.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Annee
What are you willing to give up to become wealthy?

Who said he wants to become wealthy?

No, No, No - - - I meant people who complain about the wealthy - - - don't realize what they would have to give up to accomplish that.

Its about the system - - - not individuals.

I'm a socialist at heart, actually. OK, a Globalist Socialist - - but, still a socialist.

Why do all of these forums that have a "LIKE" button fail to have a "DO NOT LIKE" button?

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: dismanrc

And the government would not need to interfere, If We the People really cared about each other and the survival of our country. How has war helped, how has polluting our environment helped, how has a friendly tax schedule to corps helped, how has ripping our schools apart helped. Getting rid of the federal government is not an option. That is crap people like the Bundy's have been spreading. But if we don't need government, they can become obsolete like dinosaurs.

When did I say get ready of the government? NEVER.

THe government is VERY much needed. The Constitution give very detailed need for government, but over the past 75-100 years or so it has taken on powers that it was never to have had.

No where in the Constitution does it say:
Government is responsible for your retirement
Government is responsible for your day to day welfare
Government is responsible for your health care.

The idea was that we where to be responsible for our lives andvthe government was to give the general framework for us to work with. It was neve to tell me which healthcare plan I could have, or any at all if that is what I want.

a reply to: dismanrc

Well, someone has to do the job. If you don't want government interference get some education, start a business, create some jobs, provide health insurance for your employees or pay them enough. I know your answer already, I can't do that, that wont work. Too much responsibility?

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: dismanrc

Well, someone has to do the job. If you don't want government interference get some education, start a business, create some jobs, provide health insurance for your employees or pay them enough. I know your answer already, I can't do that, that wont work. Too much responsibility?

Nope not my answer. I'm happy with my job and don't have a big issue with the system.

Don't like the whole system, but the parts I would change are the parts you support. I started with nothing in a single parent family and worked my way up to a Masters and a good job. I'll never be rich doing what I do, but I can live comfortable. You see I'm one of those Conservatives that likes to live my life and be left alone and don't really want to be an activist. I also have a degree in History and a Masters in International Studies, which makes me a non standard conservative. But I'm also a realist that has to live in the real world. so...

a reply to: dismanrc

I respect that. I am active politically but my time to see my country get healed is running out. I hope my grandchildren remember me that way.

originally posted by: Xeven
Seems people have decided enough is enough and now either wealthy can put money back in the economy or people will elect people to come and take it? What do you think. I mean it is silly to allow the wealthy to have so much while people working 8 hours a day cannot pay for shelter and food.

You can scream capitalism all you want but fact is there are more people who need more than there are people to defend the rigged capitalism and the 1% will lose when the people decide enough is enough.

You're absolutely right. I also think we should adjust student scores and those dam students who always get a 3.75 or higher GPA should have theirs scores reduced and those credits reallocated to the less educated. You should only be so smart!

/tongue plants firmly in cheek

a reply to: pexx421

Read or watch anything about the passing of the bill.

Were charges brought against the supposed malefactors? Was the case heard? What was the verdict? Was anybody convicted?

Unless they were, all you have is an opinion. I do not believe in trial by media. The accused are innocent until proven guilty.

see how bills become laws, and who really holds the power in this country. As if you didn't know.

I don’t live in your country. The lawmaking process is invariably nauseating; that is why it is proverbially unwise to watch sausages and laws being made. I am sure there was plenty of dickering and jiggery-pokery going on, but that’s democracy.

People have the right to get as rich as they can. If you don’t want people getting absurdly rich, support expropriatory taxes on high income brackets.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No one has an issue with getting ahead. It's getting so far ahead at everyone else expense they have a problem with.

If the rich weren't hoarding more and more wealth and were actually using it and putting it back into the economy we wouldn't be where we are now. There's a breaking point where too much has been hoarded away, too little has gone back into the economy, and something must be done, by force if necessary.

No one wants things to go the way of war and revolution. All that's needed to prevent it is for the rich to practice a bit of responsibility. This is a problem of their own creation.

But it's the low educated that perpetuates companies like Walmart become multi-billionaires. They demand cheaper goods and service and are willing to sacrifice quality for quantity which companies such as Walmart filled the bill making those manufactures that relied on a more expensive, but finer product to no longer sustain marketability.

We as consumers are the ones that make the super rich wealthier. If we went back to the mentality of making an investment in quality and supporting smaller companies, we could reduce the 1% imprint in a matter of years and blossom the entrepreneur spirit once again.

a reply to: Astyanax

? I don't understand where you're coming from. How can people have the right to accumulate a resource by making it more scarce to all others? The native Americans had it right....resources should equally be shared by all who live in the area. I would fully support expropriatary taxes on high income brackets. And the wealthy rarely get held for their crimes because in our country, as in most, you have as much freedom as you can pay for.

At any rate, they don't let citizens own bombs, tanks, or missiles. Why? Because they may use them for nefarious purpose. Excessive wealth accumulation is equally dangerous.

I don't really understand most of you here. Sanders claims to want to take money out of politics. To break up too big to fail institutions. To use our taxes to support the majority rather than the wealthy elite. What do his opponents want? To wage more war. To continue to cater to the powerful corporations at your expense. To create a Christian theocracy. And this is OK how?

a reply to: Astyanax

It is a form of taxation. What I meant with taxation is theft I was actually talking about income taxes, capital gains, property taxes etc... Sorry for not explaining it further.

originally posted by: pexx421
I don't really understand most of you here. Sanders claims to want to take money out of politics. To break up too big to fail institutions. To use our taxes to support the majority rather than the wealthy elite. What do his opponents want? To wage more war. To continue to cater to the powerful corporations at your expense. To create a Christian theocracy. And this is OK how?

The thing that is not understood, however, is his policy will force all (even the poor) to take a substantial tax burden hit. Not only through our income, but through your wallet as well.