So rich going to have to accept less or have it taken from them?

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

They can have a national flat sales tax, public donation funded services or unpaid local volunteer-ship.

A sales tax, flat or not, is still a tax.

Donation-funded services only work if the donation is statutory — that is, when it is a tax.

Unpaid local volunteers are not really going to be much use defending your country from foreign enemies and maintaining law and order, which are the two basic services all states provide. Neither will unpaid local volunteers be able to provide the specialized services people enjoy in social democracies.

Try again.

At the end of the day, wealthy corporations get way more of my money through taxes then the poor ever will. And I constantly hear all the time "socialism doesn't work!" Despite the fact no one is considering socialism, and several places y'all consider socialist seem to be working as well as we are.

Well get this. Allowing people to be so greedy and hoard so much that they can single handedly push legislation and alter a nations laws? That doesn't work either. And I'm sure if we took a good looong look at what group has done more damage over time, socialists, or massively wealthy and powerful people, it would surely come down on the side of hubris and greed, and egotism.

a reply to: pexx421

Allowing people to be so greedy and hoard so much that they can single handedly push legislation and alter a nations laws?

Can you show a case in which this actually happened?

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

They can have a national flat sales tax, public donation funded services or unpaid local volunteer-ship.

A sales tax, flat or not, is still a tax.

Better than 39% taxes on top of others. At least with a national sales tax you only get taxed when you actually conduct a sale

Donation-funded services only work if the donation is statutory — that is, when it is a tax.

It can be done.

Unpaid local volunteers are not really going to be much use defending your country from foreign enemies and maintaining law and order, which are the two basic services all states provide. Neither will unpaid local volunteers be able to provide the specialized services people enjoy in social democracies.
ok that is your opinion.
Try again.

Only the great golden state can protect you. You think volunteerism is worthless?

a reply to: Astyanax

Big pharma paying off Billy tauzin et al to pass Medicare expansion act depriving the US of the ability to negotiate drug prices?

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

1. A tax is still a tax. Nobody is talking about whether they are better or worse.
   
   
2. Show me a single country or state that is or has ever been sustained exclusively by voluntary donations from its citizens.
   
   
3. No, it is obvious. Unpaid volunteer soldiers? Unpaid volunteer policemen? Unpaid volunteer brain surgeons?

a reply to: pexx421

Can you prove Tauzen, or anybody else, was paid off?

Why could it not have been a case — they’re all too common — of a powerful lobby getting its way during negotiations?

When 80% of the population controls less then 7% of the wealth... there is a serious problem. This is starting to borderline wealth distribution during Feudalism, and we seen what happened to the patrician class during the French Revolution.

The question is would this "super class" risk losing a portion of their massive wealth rather then risk losing their heads?

originally posted by: Xeven
You can scream capitalism all you want but fact is there are more people who need more than there are people to defend the rigged capitalism and the 1% will lose when the people decide enough is enough.

When you say 1% you know that you are talking about anyone who makes over $450k per year, don't you? When will 1% turn into 5% or $166k per year, or when will that turn into top 10% of $100k?

Where do we draw the line of the evil rich?

originally posted by: Konduit

When 80% of the population controls less then 7% of the wealth... there is a serious problem. This is starting to borderline wealth distribution during Feudalism, and we seen what happened to the patrician class during the French Revolution.

The question is would this "super class" risk losing a portion of their massive wealth rather then risk losing their heads?

So a hand full has a trillion dollars, so what? You could say that the top .000000001% are evil have have more money than the other 99.9999999% does. it doesn't change the fact that for the history of the human race the vast majority live a life of survival. Whether it is working in an office to put food on the table or working in the fields to put food on the table that has not changed.

What has changed is a person can still reach higher levels, and today we do not spend every waking moment to survive. My cases and point is the OP has time to write his post then to survive, I say that is a win win situation no matter if there are some old bastards with old money.

a reply to: Xtrozero

So in your mind civilization hasn't advanced over the past 8000 years, and if you barely manage to scrape by and survive as a wage slave selling away the hours of your life, all is well because it's human nature?

Who let this sheep out of the pasteur?

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic



You know you can always quit and stop working for that BAD company and go get a job somewhere else.

No one is forcing you to work for the evil company.

Your highly educated and in demand so start your own company.

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: Indigent

Call it what you will...it is happening. Turbo tax tells me I am in top 10%. I have worked hard all my life but I see, I see what is happening to my fellow Americans that are working hard and it cannot stand weather I like it or not.

Well then comrade, start sharing!!!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Xeven

I have a feeling that the definition of "wealthy" will soon change to anyone with loose change in their pockets.

Yep remember the "hope and change" promise of the current administration.


I gues it meant hope you HAD change left over.

Also remember that today it is the 1%', tomorrow it will be the 5% , then it will the 10% and it will keep going.

"lowest common denominator"

a reply to: Indigent


Know a couple rich people myself. They ALWAYS are working.
One of them never took a day off in the 3+ years I worked for him.

He had a box seat at Ranger Stadium that I think us in the office used more then he ever did in those years.

Yep he was too lazy to even leave the office most days.

a reply to: Krazysh0t



I will have to give you credit on this. There has been very few things I've seen you post that I 100% agree with.

This is one of those.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Xeven
You can scream capitalism all you want but fact is there are more people who need more than there are people to defend the rigged capitalism and the 1% will lose when the people decide enough is enough.

When you say 1% you know that you are talking about anyone who makes over $450k per year, don't you? When will 1% turn into 5% or $166k per year, or when will that turn into top 10% of $100k?

Where do we draw the line of the evil rich?

I don't think all rich are evil so stick that where you like. People smarter than I can draw the lines and there does need to be a line. Draw it or have it drawn for you. It is coming, if you can't see it then your ignoring it cause your comfortable or stupid.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No one has an issue with getting ahead. It's getting so far ahead at everyone else expense they have a problem with.

If the rich weren't hoarding more and more wealth and were actually using it and putting it back into the economy we wouldn't be where we are now. There's a breaking point where too much has been hoarded away, too little has gone back into the economy, and something must be done, by force if necessary.

No one wants things to go the way of war and revolution. All that's needed to prevent it is for the rich to practice a bit of responsibility. This is a problem of their own creation.

I can't believe this!

DO you guys actually believe they actually live like Scrooge McDuck and have vaults of money they go swimming in?

ANY one that has made ANY money will tell you that keeping large reserves of cash around is the stupidest thing to do in the world. The ONLY time you do that is when you have a plan that requires large sums of capital, such has when you plan to buy another company, or expand. For most part they do reinvest the majority back into the market some how.

Sure they buy big fancy items and fly around and have parties. Think about it. You may see that $100 million yacht as a waste of money that could have gone into the economy. True IS that IT DID go into the economy. They PAID for it allowing the Company that built it to hire workers and the list goes on. That Million dollar party was catered by some company that bought food, paid waiters and chefs. Their "lavish" life style pays for many companies that cater to their needs. He** even just keeping the cash pays for companies. Who to you think guards the money they keep?

How many people lose their jobs and income if the "rich" no longer spend the money the way they do?

I have seen what happens when a "evil" rich company goes away. Many time the TOWN it was in dies and goes away also. But I guess all those people can get in line and get their government hand outs.

a reply to: dismanrc

While they are partying away some mom working her ass off nightly is deciding on dinner or medicine for her children.

This is not ok and worth the fight to change.

Working class has all the power and wealth. They just give it away. If ever they band together, the 1%, the 10% are done.