How will we know when we have defeated isis

a reply to: jjkenobi

I don't see what this has to do with defeating ISIS.

As for the points raised by Dawkins, Christians commit terrorism and genocidal attacks every week in African states. I'd argue that a lot of these things have more to do with politics than religion though. Even ISIS' goals are inherently political - to establish a caliphate. They yearn for political power over Muslims and disbelievers.

a reply to: daaskapital

I'd argue that a lot of these things have more to do with politics than religion though.

There you go, religion is used as incitement, cover and catalyst. The real reason governments foster organized religion in their countries.

Invoking God, as in "god on our side". who goes against that? Who can defeat our God?

a reply to: woodwardjnr

1) there will never be a complete victory over ISIS and;
2) it doesn't matter because even if they were to give up, some other group would spring up to take their place. There will never be stability in the Middle East. And now, with the refugees streaming into Europe, there will probably be only escalating instability in the Eurozone.

There may be a point where victory is announced and celebrated for the unquestioning hordes of flag waving morons, then it'll rebrand and pop up again under a different name, most likely in Lebanon.

This is not something that's going to end during our lifetimes, it's just too much of a money spinner.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

We will know "ISIS" is "defeated" when the MSM starts trying to scare us with the next Bogeyman...

ISIS wont be defeated until the West start taking them as a serious threat. Problem is the West are bombing Syria and meanwhile many ISIS members have set up in Libya and are now taking advantage of the chaos we left when we got rid of Gadaffi and are growing stronger there.

Many have also entered Europe because of the disorganisation of Europe when vetting refugees. So no doubt there are now terror cells awaiting instructions to carry out coordinated attacks.

Add to that some of the other terrorist organisations in Africa and Afghanistan who have sworn allegiance to ISIS then it doesnt take a genius to work out even if the coalition get rid of one strand another will sprout up somewhere else.

All in all I think this could go on for years and I think a lot more is to come unfortunately before ISIS are defeated. All we need now is NK to side with them!

ISIS as a military force will be defeated by the end of the year. They have been in retreat for the last 6 months and that has only been speeding up. Coalition forces are advancing every wear and both ISIS capitals will be attacked in the next few months. ISIS as a terror group can not be defeated by military force of course, any more than any other can.

What will happen to them is they will likely join another group just as they joined ISIS. Depending on what happens in Iraq, will the Shia Iraqi regime really become a unity government? If so ISIS whatever was left of ISIS would have to flee. More likely however, We will see the US/Turkish backed Kurds and Sunnis facing off against the Shia Government. That would likely create areas between the two groups where a ISIS could still operate as a terror group.

In Syria after the fall of ISIS things will be different. Assad and the Russian whole sale slaughter of Syrian civilians is going to lead to a lot of new radical anti Assad groups forming. With ISIS gone all the rebels groups will move against Assad. With ISIS taking up most the rebels attention until that point, all those forces will move against Assad. Likely they will all work together at first. ISIS fighters would likely find their way into some of those rebel groups in particular native born Syrians who see Assad as just as bad as ISIS. Assad will either leave or fall. Then you will see the rebel groups square off. If the SDF can stay unified bring in the other non radical groups they should be able to take power and hold it dealing with the radicals in what would be yet another war. If they do not remain unified a new bloody civil war would continue. Among that chaos ISIS would find a new name and a new home.

The only real hope for Syria would be Assad leaving and his forces joining up with the SDF. Not giving the radicals any room to maneuver. For that to work most of the blame for the recent slaughter would have to be put on the Russians with Assad's forces having no choice but, to go along with it. That is not likely. Memories are long in that part of the world and while the Russians will be hated, Assads and the Syrians who have supported him will likely be the main targets.

We'll never know.

Did we actually defeat the Taliban or did the media and our government stop using that name, then did we actually defeat Al Quaeda? We never hear that name anymore either, so now (The same actual fighters) are in ISIS, next year they will be called something else. ISIS of course being the same Taliban that we armed when they were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.

originally posted by: daaskapital
a reply to: jjkenobi

I don't see what this has to do with defeating ISIS.

As for the points raised by Dawkins, Christians commit terrorism and genocidal attacks every week in African states. I'd argue that a lot of these things have more to do with politics than religion though. Even ISIS' goals are inherently political - to establish a caliphate. They yearn for political power over Muslims and disbelievers.

ISIS is a tool for radical Islam. The organization currently called ISIS may be disbanded/defeated, but the same religious players will still exist under a new name. Islam's war on the world has been occurring for centuries. Defeating ISIS will not stop it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jjkenobi

Out of curiosity, why do you only find him believable when he says something you agree with?

I only agree with him when he's right.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

How will we know when we have defeated isis?

Simple, some other 'news' will be more important and 'Hay, come to think of it we have havn't heard much about ISIS lately have we," will be the refrain and then we just won't hear any more about them then, they will have served their purpose then.

.... Hay, come to think of it we haven't heard much about Al Queda lately have we?

Whats happened to them, anyone know?

"How will we know when we have defeated isis?"

I imagine there will be a parade.