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Discussing Cultural Marxism and the Reactionary Movements That Oppose It.

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posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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Furthermore, how many decades or centuries can you dismiss everything as just being "REACTIONARY", before you wake up a stranger in your own land and rolled over out of existence.?

You guys would tell Native Americans they were "reactionaries" and that those warm blankets which gave them bumps aren't really so bad.

You know, adapt to 'change' and everything.

*rolls eyes*




posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: NateTheAnimator

I know.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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Neo-Marxist Left Gloabalist Multi Culti playbook..

Accuse the victim of being racist or nativist or xenophobic

Call them 'reactionaries' after they naturally react to a shift in their HOST culture.

Malign naysayers while telling them there is no use resisting.

Remind them of how things 'change' and to accept it, forget all debate about so called 'change' being negative or positive.

Appear "Humanitarian" by welcoming host nation's destruction..

Repeat, attack, repeat, get on stage at Oscars and make political award speech...attack repeat.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: NateTheAnimator

Here is the thing. You use Japan as an example. Japan limits immigration for starters. Japan has appropriated aspects of western culture which work for them but you are not going to go to Japan and have them alter their culture in such a way that it is no longer recognizably Japanese. You would not tell the Japanese that there are too many Japanese people in Japan. The Japanese do not disenfranchise their population with "critical theory" so that they walk around carrying guilt for actions they had no part of.

This isn't to say I am against cultural mixing or exchange of ideas or any of that. These things occur organically but what we are experiencing in the west is FORCED multiculturalism.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain




You guys would tell Native Americans they were "reactionaries" and that those warm blankets which gave them bumps aren't really so bad.


Of course they were reactionaries. The European colonists were encroaching in to their territories,destroying their villages and it's inhabitants through coercive methods. The Europeans were imperialist during this time in history.
Out of any group with any legitimate reasons for their grievances are the native American's and their culture.

Western Culture dominates the world and has since the peak of the Babylonian empire. This conspiracy that Western civilization is under attack from without is a complete and utter farce created out of aversion.

Again if it is such an issue what is the solution?

edit on 9-2-2016 by NateTheAnimator because: Grammatical error



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain




You guys would tell Native Americans they were "reactionaries" and that those warm blankets which gave them bumps aren't really so bad.


Of course they were reactionaries. The European colonists were encroaching in to their territories,destroying their villages and it's inhabitants through coercive methods. The Europeans were imperialist during this time in history.
Out of any group with any legitimate reasons for their grievances are the native American's and their culture.

Western Culture dominates the world and has since the peak of the Babylonian empire. This conspiracy that Western civilization is under attack from without is a complete and utter farce created out of aversion.

Again if it is such an issue what is the solution?


Oh I see, it's different when it's brown people, eh? And it's different when one has the title "Imperialist" behind it?

Encroachment is encroachment...

Western cultures 'dominates'? You mean were more innovative, more productive, more advanced, more efficient than most others? Right?

And what do contemporary Europeans have to do with Imperialism, the Crown, etc? You speak like someone who has a chip on his shoulder against people who had no part in your so-called "Imperialism".

Western Culture ISN'T under attack? Almost 20 Million (yes closer to the REAL number) Illegal Immigrants coming through a porous border and staying in the U.S....alone. Millions migrating and changing the landscape slowly in European nations, and mass migrations overnight in others?

Sovereignty and borders failing and not being established and mass migration waves sure is an attack to me.

MILLIONS into Germany alone...in a nation of 86 Million...equivalent to 13 MILLION flooding America in a couple years.

Reactionary? Imagined? Give me a break
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posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: NateTheAnimator

Pay no attention to the very real fact that the various Asian cultures had and have busily been encroaching on each other and pushing their own cultural superiority for centuries without any help from the Western ones.

Wars between China and Japan were brutal and marked by atrocity.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: NihilistSanta




You would not tell the Japanese that there are too many Japanese people in Japan.


Why would anyone say that to begin with...
Yes the Japanese today do not care to highlight the ethnic differences among their population that is true.
However I brought up Japan as it is the best example of cultural diffusion of western cultural ideals. My critique of this cultural diffusion is that it was enforced by the state,this I find to be unethical and I have to somewhat agree with your statement below.




These things occur organically but what we are experiencing in the west is FORCED multiculturalism.


Could you highlight some examples please.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 02:48 PM
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Pay no attention to the very real fact that the various Asian cultures had and have busily been encroaching on each other and pushing their own cultural superiority for centuries without any help from the Western ones.


Actually Japan adopted most of their initial cultural practices from China in order to maintain relations, historically their cultures were quite similar that cultural encroachment was nonexistent until the latter part of the 19th century.




Wars between China and Japan were brutal and marked by atrocity.


Uhh... Nope. Japan had little or no contact with China up until post Meiji restoration, prior to that they had extreme isolationist policy.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain



Reactionary? Imagined? Give me a break


Where did I state that the reactionary's grievances of Western culture were "imagined"?
The issue of immigration is a separate issue altogether and their are some legitimate concerns there.
Your confounding these two issues on purpose for misguided reasons.
I agree that the issue of immigration in Europe is out of control, the immigrants are not solely responsible for multiculturalism. You have to attribute some responsibility to the incompetent leaders as they could easily turn down applicants into the country.
I believe Sweden is already planning on deporting 80,000 sometime this year.
That's a start.

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posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: NihilistSanta

I've read this thread and find it somewhat bemusing.

Marxist theory was hamstrung in the late 60s and pretty much dried up in the late 80s. It was dragged down as the Soviet Union imploded and Postmodernism all but finished it off.

There are a few theorists - and a few parties - left out there but, like Freudian psychology, it is a spent force. The world, academic and real, has moved on. Some activists became liberals, some became libertarians, some became the very thing they opposed. Such is life.

"Cultural Marxism" is, from what I see, a lazy right wing catchphrase. It's not meant to shut down the opposition but to impress one's fellow travellers. It's the kind of thing one hears on US talk radio or reads on WorldNewsDaily.

What there is a post-Postmodern multiplicity of ideas and voices, many without any ideological framework, competing to be heard in a media with the memory span of a goldfish and the echo chambers of the internet. Instead of confronting them ad hoc, it's easier to give in to fear and instead address your friends with knowing "in" phrases. It's easier to cherry pick from the Communist Manifesto - which was never intended as a party platform - or to attack ideas you made up and put in your opponents' mouths.

What I'm getting at is that "Cultural Marxism", in 2016, is a dishonest term to cloak dishonest reasoning.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:09 PM
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I have to ask at this point if you have watched any of the clips presented. I feel you are missing a bit if you have not.


A Libertarian friend posted one on Facebook. I watched that, it gave me the gist. Can you provide an example of an actual Marxist using the phrase "Cultural Marxism?"



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: NihilistSanta

I don't think rhetoric like the Frankfurt video really helps the issue at all. It's couched in every kind of antiSemitic inference. I would hope that's not your take because that's how you lose so many people who otherwise might agree that Western values are being subverted.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NihilistSanta


I have to ask at this point if you have watched any of the clips presented. I feel you are missing a bit if you have not.


A Libertarian friend posted one on Facebook. I watched that, it gave me the gist. Can you provide an example of an actual Marxist using the phrase "Cultural Marxism?"


Marxists didn't coin the term. That has already been explained.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NihilistSanta


I have to ask at this point if you have watched any of the clips presented. I feel you are missing a bit if you have not.


A Libertarian friend posted one on Facebook. I watched that, it gave me the gist. Can you provide an example of an actual Marxist using the phrase "Cultural Marxism?"


Probably the same ratio of laissez-faire advocates who use the term imperial capitalism. The term chosen was "Critical Theory" or "The Frankfurt School".

The other major point that isn't touched upon here as much as I would have expected is the relevance of natural conservationism as a primary vector to socialism. It has been said by many that it is the last best hope for totalitarian domination of the world. For its own good, of course.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NihilistSanta


I have to ask at this point if you have watched any of the clips presented. I feel you are missing a bit if you have not.


A Libertarian friend posted one on Facebook. I watched that, it gave me the gist. Can you provide an example of an actual Marxist using the phrase "Cultural Marxism?"


Marxists didn't coin the term. That has already been explained.



As I said, the term is designed to create a negative connotation among useful idiots.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NihilistSanta


I have to ask at this point if you have watched any of the clips presented. I feel you are missing a bit if you have not.


A Libertarian friend posted one on Facebook. I watched that, it gave me the gist. Can you provide an example of an actual Marxist using the phrase "Cultural Marxism?"


Marxists didn't coin the term. That has already been explained.



As I said, the term is designed to create a negative connotation among useful idiots.


No, it's already been explained. The term is a DESCRIPTOR that refers to how the planks laid out by Engels and Marx, theories, agreements, conclusions...are MARXIST in nature....and how they relate to SOCIETY...and how it is a CULTURE of thought.

"Cultural Marxism"

It's pretty apt.

P.S. Marxism was cultural....before the term 'cultural Marxism'.

If you don't get that...then YOU are the useful idiot.


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posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NihilistSanta


I have to ask at this point if you have watched any of the clips presented. I feel you are missing a bit if you have not.


A Libertarian friend posted one on Facebook. I watched that, it gave me the gist. Can you provide an example of an actual Marxist using the phrase "Cultural Marxism?"




Marxists didn't coin the term. That has already been explained.



As I said, the term is designed to create a negative connotation among useful idiots.


No, it's already been explained. The term is a DESCRIPTOR that refers to how the planks laid out by Engels and Marx, theories, agreements, conclusions...are MARXIST in nature....and how they relate to SOCIETY...and how it is a CULTURE of thought.

"Cultural Marxism"

It's pretty apt.



It's reactionary propaganda. The Frankfurt School and the French Structuralists were not Marxists. They incorporated some Marxist ideas while seeking an alternative to it.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


P.S. Marxism was cultural....before the term 'cultural Marxism'.

If you don't get that...then YOU are the useful idiot.


Marx seldom bothered with cultural issues beyond the capital/labor class divide, and if you don't know that....



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NihilistSanta


I have to ask at this point if you have watched any of the clips presented. I feel you are missing a bit if you have not.


A Libertarian friend posted one on Facebook. I watched that, it gave me the gist. Can you provide an example of an actual Marxist using the phrase "Cultural Marxism?"




Marxists didn't coin the term. That has already been explained.



As I said, the term is designed to create a negative connotation among useful idiots.


No, it's already been explained. The term is a DESCRIPTOR that refers to how the planks laid out by Engels and Marx, theories, agreements, conclusions...are MARXIST in nature....and how they relate to SOCIETY...and how it is a CULTURE of thought.

"Cultural Marxism"

It's pretty apt.



It's reactionary propaganda. The Frankfurt School and the French Structuralists were not Marxists. They incorporated some Marxist ideas while seeking an alternative to it.


"Alterntive to it"

Uh huh...sure



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


P.S. Marxism was cultural....before the term 'cultural Marxism'.

If you don't get that...then YOU are the useful idiot.


Marx seldom bothered with cultural issues beyond the capital/labor class divide, and if you don't know that....


Oh brother.



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