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Why as libertarian I would consider voting for Bernie Sanders

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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 05:14 PM
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I'm a fire breathing Agorist/Anarchist. Libertarians want too much government for my tastes, but that's as much of a compromise as I'm willing to make.

I'm certain I'd never, ever even remotely entertain the notion of voting for Sanders, the Chicago Marxist.

I don't get the faux Libertarianism. There is another fella that claims as much around here in a lot of the political threads, and I've never been able to quantify it.

Maybe they like the anti war, pro human freedom aspect. Thing is, they don't agree with the personal property, free market aspects. You can't be free without the whole picture. You just can't.




posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 05:22 PM
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I can understand your stance. I have been pushing Bernie, yet recently took notice of Governor Kasich too. I am at a cross-roads. Like you I am at a crossroads of who will be accomplish something while their term in office without creating too much turmoil for the American people. Most candidates will find gridlock! Bernie and Kasich may be the only to opposing candidates who can get something done without total gridlock nor complete dissatisfaction. They both seem to have the ability to cross 'party' lines.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

With all due respect, Miss.

If you were living a couple of hundred miles south, you wouldn't be considering Kasich as an answer to anything.

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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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Dude...I've known liberal-minded Libertarians.

Being a "libertarian" doesn't mean you have to be pigeonholed into being conservative.

SMH.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: Restricted
a reply to: interupt42

You have lost your mind. Libertarian? I wonder.


Look at my post history .

The biggest issue we face and what is keeping a third party from being elected is a corrupted system.

Bernie wont get anything he wants acomplished because of congress. The only thing that will come from bernie is the discussion of corruption in dc on the MSM.

That discussion of corruption to the masses will be worth more than what the other candidates bring to the table. what candidate do you think would have a better long term impact in this election and why?

Bringing focus to corruption is more important than party ideals because the only ideals that are being implemented by a dnc or gop endorsed candidate is oligarchy. Corruption is the biggest issue we have and no other candidate is bringing it to the forefront.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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Im not pitching anything to have people tell me anything.

Im just looking at things a little different than the norm which has done nothing for the benefit of the masses but rather for the oligarchy.

I said socialism doesnt work and i disagree with his view of it. However the fact is that the president in a single term will not be able to make any socialist changes without congress. So that is moot point.

Sanders is the only one that is speaking about corruption in dc and has made it his number 1 issue. Is he honest probably not but neither are the rest.

However him bringing to the forefront is about the best we can expect from the crap pool of candidtes we have been given.

Corruption and super pacs is what is keeping a third party from having a voice.

What is the number one issue in dc in your opinion and what is your best outcome from what we have

Its a risk but looking at the pick it just might be worth it.

This is nothing about party ideals. its about a strategy to wake up the people in regards to corruption in hopes of opening the doors for other parties down the road.
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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:03 PM
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I consider myself libertarian and I would vote for Bernie.

I, for one, understand where the OP is going with this and agree with him.


I also like how Bernie voted against the Patriot Act, that scores major points with me

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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

Being a Libertarian myself I can't really see voting for anyone unless the entire voting system was changed and if it wasn't used as a tool of manipulation by TPTB. One thing that makes it so I'll never vote is that all the candidates have some serious money,if they were truly concerned about the people and the government they would be less concerned with wealth and more concerned about all the laws the government is breaking,further more if the voting system wasn't a rigged game there would be much more choices say at least 3-4(or more) candidates from each state.
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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: Blueracer

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Blueracer



You can say and think that all you want, but the sad reality and the real reason that a third party candidate has no chance is because of corruption and manipulation of the masses by the GOP, DNC, and the MSM.

You must first expose the corruption before a third party candidate ever has a chance.

That's ridiculous. You're going to vote for one of your listed causes of corruption's candidate in hopes that it un-corrupts itself.






I didn't say he was the best we got. He is the best CHANCE we got to expose corruption . Then maybe down the road third parties might get a better shot.

There are accusations of corruption against Bernie as well. Recent example

Plus he condones Hillary's apparent corruption by brushing it off as the american people are tired of hearing about it. “Let me say something that may not be great politics. But I think the secretary is right, and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails.” Bernie on scandal







I believe in smaller gov't read my post again. I never claimed that was sanders, ream my post again.

In other words, you talk the talk but you don't walk the walk.


However, I don't think their is one Ideal ideology that is best for all circumstances. Right now I think what is more important ,even more than ideals themselves is exposing Corruption in DC. Which what Sanders claims to be.

People should know by now that we can't trust politician's claims, no matter how good they sound. Hope and change sounded great. That got Obama elected. Most people didn't get the hope and change that they wanted.




I'm looking long term not near term since that hasn't worked out to well for a third party.

Time is now!


This is not a scandal in the slightest (and I think it got beat to death in some of the original posts). But nice try!



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: VashTheStampede
a reply to: interupt42

Being a Libertarian myself I can't really see voting for anyone unless the entire voting system was changed and if it wasn't used as a tool of manipulation by TPTB..


Thats how i feel. Corruption should be issue number one even above political ideals. While corruption exist no political ideal wins.

I dont think bernie is going to fix corruption but i think the best we can hope for now is someone bringing it to the forefront.

So he might be worth voting for.

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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

I disagree,I'd rather support someone who isn't a politician,don't forget that politicians are professional liars,they are not someone to be trusted,they'll say something while campaigning to get votes and never do what they promised,there are not any honest politicians just like there aren't any honest thieves.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Dude...I've known liberal-minded Libertarians.

Being a "libertarian" doesn't mean you have to be pigeonholed into being conservative.

SMH.


I think you're addressing me, but I'm not sure. There may be more than one "dude" in the thread.

Maybe I was being too esoteric.

I don't know, or care much about the significance of the conservative, liberal, Republican, or Democrat labels. I am not wired that way. They're all statists, and I've got nothing but contempt for all the characters in that rigged game. I find Glenn Beck's claims of Libertarianism as cloying as I do the original poster in this thread.

You either look to the state for answers, or you don't.

As far as your last line, I have no idea if those three letters are your initials, so I'll just have to cop to ignorance on that.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:25 PM
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a reply to: VashTheStampede

Agreed they are all liars and i dont expect Bernie to deliver. Actually im counting on him not delivering.

The only thing i expect him to deliver is discussing super pqc and monetary influences in dc. That is better than anything that other candidates have done.

Even if he doesnt discuss corruption after he gets elected it would open the eyes of his followers.

Anything that brings awawerness to corruption in dc is better than what we have gotten or expect to get.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: TomLawless

Perhaps that is true, perhaps not. I was homeless out in the northwestern states (Colorado, Oregon, Washington, and Idaho ( where I finally struggled out of living with 2 kids out of the back of a truck with a cap)) and struggled for 5 years in Florida before returning back home to Michigan, and had to homeschool my daughters on the recommendation of the school counselor! Crazy yes! My oldest is now working on her Master's in Psychology and hold's a bachelors in both, criminal law and Psychology. My youngest just received her associate's in Psychology. My mid child had children and is working hard in manufacturing 3rd shift to meet expenses! I watch my grand hildren for her so she can do so without any assistance. The daughters who are in college have done so on winning scholarships, grants and very minimal loans all on their own while they work!

So yes, I find myself in the middle of the party's realizing that most Americans need a hand up, not a hand out!!!



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 06:37 PM
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I hear bad things about super PACs all the time. People gnash teeth about them constantly, even politicians, if you can believe that.

You know they say that kind of stuff to get elected, right? Probably even Bernie.

Don't sell your soul to Marxists, brother. It's a slippery slope.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 07:05 PM
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i don't care what his other idiologies are, he wants to repeal citizens united somehow. i hope and pray that he will...an Atheist praying lol if he can accomplish that, it's all worth electing him.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
No, not "only." You're taking my post out of context and leaving out the best part. Both Sanders and Hitler decided there were Bad Guys(tm) causing all the economic problems. Hitler concentrated on "Jews" as the culprits. Jews were "the bankers." Sound familiar? Sanders concentrates on "Wall Street" and "billionaires" as the culprits, i.e.: "The bankers." The method of propaganda is the same: vilify a group, blame them for all your problems, and promise to "get" that group. Sanders suggest we tax the hell out of the rich and for the record, Hitler NEVER SAID he would actually kill 8 million Jews; He just vilified them in speeches and let his henchmen do the dirty work without telling the German people, many of whom were as shocked as anyone when they found out what happened. The German people, by and large, were not a "bunch of Nazis." They were pawns in the game.

So, do you get it yet? Same tactics:

1. Vilify a group.
2. Blame all economic woes on them.
3. Promise to take care of them.
4. Get elected.



Sounds like Trump's platform.




Alaskan Dad, do you have any links to those libertarians on Reedit who are posting they are going to vote for Sanders?



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: TomLawless
I hear bad things about super PACs all the time. People gnash teeth about them constantly, even politicians, if you can believe that.

You know they say that kind of stuff to get elected, right? Probably even Bernie.

Don't sell your soul to Marxists, brother. It's a slippery slope.


LOl

Bernie is not the ideal candidate for sure but out of Hillary, Trump, Rubio, and Cruz which is the likely outcome I don't see any benefit or a purpose to go vote. Sadly a third party such as the libertarian party is not even a consideration in the system we have.

The best I see from what we have is Bernie or Carson who has an even less likely chance of getting elected then Bernie.


Bernies socialist ideals will be put at bay do to congress. He will not likely make any actual change, but he will likely continue his discussion about corruption in DC. Unlike the other candidate its his core message.

Even more realistic the reason why his socialist ideas wont get implemented is because they have something better implemented an Oligarch.

So I don't see him so much as a threat but rather as a person that can bring attention to the only issue we should be discussing: Corruption. Everything else are just symptoms of corruption.

Political ideals don't mean squat as long as we have a corrupted system. Right now having issue number 1 set around corruption is better than anything Hillary, Trump, Rubio, or Cruz will bring.

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posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: Blueracer
Bernie is better than Clinton.

I am voting for Gary also.

Kasich is pretty good.



posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

Vote libertarian anyway.

Stop being a following the herd.




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