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Bill Clinton calls Bernie Sanders A LIAR!

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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

I live in Maryland. My state is voting Democrat regardless of what I want anyways.




posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sounds like your hands are free, or you can choose either way.

But it is your choice, no one else’s, but if you were not so damned faraway I would twist your arm! LOL

No matter your choice, I know it will an informed choice.



peace



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I guess this is were we differ. I don't care what they say I care about their actions and Clintons actions are in direct conflict with what she says.

It does me no good to hear you tell me how much you care about me, while sticking that knife in my back.


True, but I feel that the other party is worse than this.


I disagree again, it has nothing todo with smugness but rather the HOPE of waking up the people and having them open their eyes to how both party give you the same thing ,besides their difference in lip-service.


How does that saying go again about doing things over and over and expecting different results?


The system can only change when the majority see the truth: that both the DNC and GOP are working for the same corporate and special interest groups.


But that isn't true. They are working for separate special interest groups with VERY different political goals. That's still not a good thing, but it is a difference that many conspiracy minded people don't want to accept since the narrative that they both serve the same masters fits in with a traditional conspiracy of someone trying to rule the world from the shadows.

This can easily be seen on display with the Climate Change debate. Where each side actively has polar opposing opinions on the topic. One thinks that AGW poses a significant threat to human society in the near and long term future and the other thinks its benign and overblown. That's CLEARLY not a position that two political parties owned by the same people would take. Something along that narrative would be a position of general skepticism with an unwillingness to learn anything new by one party and maybe a half-hearted desire to learn something new by the other.


Supporting a corrupted leader for your party does nothing but the opposite of helping us. That goes for ALL parties.


I already told you in the case of me voting for Hillary, I'm NOT supporting her. I'm voting in protest of the Republicans, and again, I'm not a Democrat. This isn't "my party".


As long as people aren't concentrating on the real problem the real problem will never get fixed. That is why the same issues have existed for numerous decades in the hands of both party. The system is not broken for the Corporations and billionaires because both the GOP and the DNC are tools used by them to ensure they get their man or women elected.


Here's the problem. No one can agree on what the "real problems" are. I have a very good idea what -I- think are the real problems, but others seem to think it is things like the Muslims or Mexicans or any other number of scapegoats. Me, I've done my research and I know when to play my hand. If I have to be forced to vote for Hillary, I take the direction of her politics while holding my hand back and waiting to play it when a better candidate (like Bernie) comes along.


Thats because the parties have not been held accountable by their own constituents. The individual constituents are more worried about getting a 'D' or 'R' elected than the actual principles behind the party.


Actually that is just logic. There will always be a candidate more "evil" than the other one. Or rather worse than the other one. Also, according to the inverse, there will always be a candidate that is better than the other one. Again simple logic. Pretending like its the lesser of two evils is just a pessimistic way of looking at it.


Instead each sides blames the other side for all the issues, which they have no control over. They only have control within their own party, but since they never hold themselves accountable the cycle never ends.

IMO Third party , write in vote ,or even no vote are better votes than voting for a lesser evil because their is no such thing as a lesser evil. Voting DNC or RNC endorsed candidate will give you the same things.

1. Bigger gov't
2. Lesser individual rights.
3. Corporate friendly laws.
4. More taxes
5. More Debt



Well like I said. Do you. I already know that I'm not going to change people's minds here. I've done my research and applied my analysis to things and this is the answer I came up with.
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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Well I'm only speaking hypothetically in the general election here. I want to vote for Sanders, but I'm not a registered Democrat. I also don't have any intention of registering as one. So I won't be able to vote for him in the primaries. Thus I am left to decide on where to place my vote in the general election. If Bernie gets the nod, then you can bet your ass I'll vote for him in a skinny minute, and be more than proud to do so.

I've just also thoroughly considered that my hopes won't necessarily come to pass and there are other general election decisions that I could be forced to make. Therefore, I should be properly ready to make that decision when the time comes. I've made my peace with it too.
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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 11:43 AM
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Some food for thought, Dr Jill Stein and HRC.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words!

Edit: HRC has a real deer in the headlight look to her, she is as bug eyed as a tweaker!




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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

You remove the divisive based policies I mentioned, and look at the economic policies and such and you can see how cleverly they weave and work together like I said. Both parties are working to prop up the establishment together.

Neither parties actually cares about those divisive based policies, is why people are allowed to actually win them. They're naught but carrots and card tricks to keep us distracted, oh look a butterfly.

Is funny actually, the people promoting this crap believe it not one iota, is like those that use religion to manipulate people knowing themselves it's bull#. The establishment isn't racist, it's isn't sexist, it isn't religious, it's none of these things, they know better, the only things they care about are them and theirs. But promoting these things and using them to keep their power, well, power is something they do believe in so, hell yeah they say.

Everything we're fighting for that we actually are given crumbs towards like gay marriage has literally no effect towards their power base, is why we can win that fight, so that progress can seem to happen. The sad part is, they already didn't give a # about it, only reason there was no gay marriage is because the conflict was useful to them. It had nothing to do with changing their minds. It was just time to throw us a carrot to convince us progress could happen. A carrot which conveniently caused a bunch of deliciously divisive controversy.

Even worse, sometimes they find ways to take what should be a good thing and twist and turn it against us. Like we women and the right to work. Now surviving takes two people working when it used to be just one. We all make less and struggle more, and the family unit has been decimated. But hey, progress right? Don't get me wrong I'm as pro-equality as you can be, but I'm against it being used to make us all equally worse. What should have been empowering for women, ultimately harmed both man and woman alike and all our children, because of corrupt policies and practices that came with it.

I'm not anti-establish just because, I'm against it because it needs to be shattered, peacefully if possible, but we can only try that route so long before it's too late to win the other way. Time is running out rapidly, the TPP is a big win for big business it comes dangerously close to being the final nail in our coffins.

We're voting ourselves into oblivion playing their game and falling for their distractions. Bernie is I hope the catalyst, even if he fails to get the presidency I'm hoping the great awakening he's started continues to snowball.

I'm aware that revolution can result in more of the same or worse, I'm aware we're on a dangerous road. But I see no other way, I can't play their game by their rules, the game is rigged and the promised outcome lies and bull#. The world we live in is very different from the world that birthed our government and our economy. Something drastic needs to happen to allow for humanity to adapt to it's new conditions.

Only Bernie is for this change, every other candidate is the enemy pure and simple. Except possibly some third party candidates I'm unaware of. I wish I were violent and not largely a pacifist because I feel so effing helpless.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad
Hillary has the look of forced attempt at friendliness, while the other a sincere smile.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove
I don't see it. I agree that they are both corrupt, but the corruption I see is two different forms of corruption that just make it look like they are feeding into each other. My version is actually a bit more nefarious, because it is a problem that is a bit harder to pin down, but it relies on what I know about the human condition and how humans behave (because at the end of the day we are all human, even the elites).

If it comes down to it, enjoy throwing your vote away. But in the real world, pretending like a problem doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. Sometimes we have to make hard decisions for our principles (hell, it's likely that Clinton fell to this very idea as she sacrificed her integrity while dealing with the fact she was a woman in male dominated politics).

Another facet of life I've come to accept is that things are never simple. They are almost universally FAR more complex than we imagined, so inserting a simple answer like both parties being part of the same coin is only going to explain so much of the problem. But It will never touch on the deep rooted issues that are native to each party but not both parties.
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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 12:00 PM
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I already told you in the case of me voting for Hillary, I'm NOT supporting her. I'm voting in protest of the Republicans.


But that is supporting the existing system, the DNC, and Hillary despite your thoughts your actions are supporting her.




Here's the problem. No one can agree on what the "real problems" are.

I disagree , I think the majority of people deep down know exactly what the problem is but they allow themselves to be distracted from focusing on it.

Its actually rather simple: You can't have a group of people making the right decision for the population when they have conflict of interest that benefits them when they side with big money.

Until you get corruption under-control in DC nothing will be fixed for the upper-middle class and below. The reason being is because the system is not broken for Big Money regardless which party is in control.


This is one of the reasons I would consider Bernie, I don't agree with socialism especially under a corrupt gov't but he is the only one that is focusing on the real issue. Monetary influences in DC.



But that isn't true. They are working for separate special interest groups with different political goals.


Sure that can happen but in most cases unless its a true conflict of interest between Oligopoly industries its just smoke screens .

listening to the Republican and Democrats talk about gun rights in the US its easy to say that Republicans are owned by the Gun and AMMO industry.

However, looking at gun sales and the lack of Regulations that have been passed you could just as easily argue that the Democrats are the ones really owned by the Gun and Ammo industry.

I don't think theirs is any ploy of world domination by any one group . I think its more of the consequence of the big boys trying to survive and kill competition in the pursuit of the all mighty dollar due to unrealistic and unsustainable goals set on Corporations , which make them push the grey areas further. Sadly despite their desperation, they have the money and ownership of our politicians to push those grey areas even further back.




Well like I said. Do you. I already know that I'm not going to change people's minds here.


I think it happens and it happens slowly.I know it happened to me and I'm sure at some point it even happened to you. I'm sure your views today are not like when they were when you first got involved with politics.

However, I typically like to debate things not to change the other persons mind but rather to either reinforce my thought process or to alter it .



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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

A forced smile absolutely!


I see anxiety too!

Bottom line is someone looks like a phony, that someone is HRC!


Has anyone heard they might clean and polish up Kerry in case HRC's campaign falls apart?

Rupert Murdoch floats Kerry as last-minute Dem 2016 candidate


The belief that Hillary Clinton’s candidacy will sink makes it possible for US Secretary of State John Kerry to become the Democratic Party’s last-minute presidential nominee, Australian-born American media mogul Rupert Murdoch says.

"Watch Hillary's candidacy sink and sink. Nobody buying and more big trouble coming on emails. Dems looking for replacement. John Kerry?" Murdoch tweeted on Saturday.


source



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
But that is supporting the existing system, the DNC, and Hillary despite your thoughts your actions are supporting her.


Well sorry. I've given my reasoning, if that isn't acceptable than I don't know what else to say. It certainly wouldn't be a vote I'd be "proud" to claim I made.


I disagree , I think the majority of people deep down know exactly what the problem is but they allow themselves to be distracted from focusing on it.

Its actually rather simple: You can't have a group of people making the right decision for the population when they have conflict of interest that benefits them when they side with big money.

Until you get corruption under-control in DC nothing will be fixed for the upper-middle class and below. The reason being is because the system is not broken for Big Money regardless which party is in control.


That is only one problem. There are plenty more problems in our country than JUST money in politics. Though I admit that it is a rather significant one.


Sure that can happen but in most cases unless its a true conflict of interest between Oligopoly industries its just smoke screens .

listening to the Republican and Democrats talk about gun rights in the US its easy to say that Republicans are owned by the Gun and AMMO industry.

However, looking at gun sales and the lack of Regulations that have been passed you could just as easily argue that the Democrats are the ones really owned by the Gun and Ammo industry.

I don't think theirs is any ploy of world domination by any one group . I think its more of the consequence of the big boys trying to survive and kill competition in the pursuit of the all mighty dollar due to unrealistic and unsustainable goals set on Corporations , which make them push the grey areas further.


But what if that is just a consequence of one side's terrible handling of the situation capitalized on by the other side's superior propaganda disseminating outlets?

To be honest, I recognize good arguments from both the gun control crowd and the gun supporter crowd. I just don't feel that the democrats are doing a very good job of getting their points across for their side.


I think it happens and it happens slowly.I know it happened to me and I'm sure at some point it even happened to you. I'm sure your views today are not like when they were when you first got involved with politics.

However, I typically like to debate things not to change the other persons mind but rather to either reinforce my thought process or to alter it .


It did happen to me. Four years ago I proclaimed my vote for Gary Johnson or nobody. Four years before that I didn't vote. Four years before that I didn't vote either (but that was mostly because I didn't care about politics at the time). Before then I wasn't allowed to vote. I know all about the protest vote option. I've done it. I've lived it.

I'm trying something new this election.
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posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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That is only one problem. There are plenty more problems in our country than JUST money in politics. Though I admit that it is a rather significant one.

The rest are just the symptoms of a corrupted group of politicians. You can't even begin to look at those symptoms until you have clarity on what the real issues are. Until the politicians are upfront and honest on the issues they will not get fixed.




I'm trying something new this election.


I understand your frustration as I endure it as well. I honestly think that it will never change because the people are to divided and they are not focused on the corruption.


The system is to well oiled and they have setup a cacth 22 scenerio:
Vote for an endorsed DNC or RNC candidate and you are sure going to get the more of the same and corporate friendly politicians.

A non endorsed DNC or RNC candidate has no chance to get elected. They get no positive coverage if any nor do they get a equal playing field.

Sadly I don't have the answer because the system is to well oiled on who gets elected and what issues get focus on and who gets the MSM positive coverage.

The only thing I see that can help is trying to open the eyes of the masses one at a time. I think the internet has helped a bit on this but they are busy at work shutting that down. You even see this with many online MSM news site ,where they have restricted the comment sections or removed them completely.

Like I said I hear you and I don't know the answer but I think going along with the system is only allowing for the system to continue running longer.



posted on Feb, 10 2016 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Woman are one of her main voter bases, I think she will continue to play that card until the end of this race.

I am for equal rights, equal pay, rights to medical care etc... But as far as I'm educated, Sanders either matches or trumps her when it comes to these topics.

I've never thought that color nor gender should influence a person's vote .. But that's just fantasy.



posted on Feb, 10 2016 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I feel you.

Utah, my state is voting "sigh" Republican whether I agree or not.

Though we do have college communities.. I wonder if the young adults can go against their parents teachings and give Bernie even a portion of votes.



posted on Feb, 10 2016 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Medicator

The pot calling the kettle black




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posted on Feb, 10 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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So. Bernie wins in New Hampshire, but Hillary gets more delegates.

Not even the Republicans are this bad.



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