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originally posted by: kumiho
a reply to: Ghost147
And when did we start to write down empirical data on the Universe? Do we know how ? No, can we observe the Universe over a distance of billions of lightyears, sure.. Still lacks something doesnt it? If i observe a human when he is 30, take a photo, what can i tell? A bipedal, primate wearing wool from a sheep.. Thats the data isnt it?
Imagination is a real treat when it comes to reality isnt it
originally posted by: Sigismundus
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
You wrote QUOTE "I would say if anyone had respect for the Bible, they would heed the above warning UNQUOTE excerpt from [Rev 22:17]
The warning placed at the end of the Apocalypse of Yohanon was meant only for that book ('to him shall be added the plagues mentioned in this book...") and not for any purported collection of scripture. Context is everything. Read it again.
originally posted by: kumiho
a reply to: Ghost147
You Are mixing a spectrum, with observational data, "theories" are not part of empirical data.. Theories are human imagination trying to place something unknown in a paradigm.. Look the five visible planets, empirical data stretching 11kya. Now 10 billion years and the Big Bang "theory" and it ended with a theory
originally posted by: gosseyn
a reply to: Sigismundus
That's strange. I consider religion as philosophy and nothing more. Usually we don't rewrite the same philosophy book again and again, but we just write another, we produce something new. If what all the philosophers in history had done was to rewrite what Aristotle wrote, we wouldn't have progressed an inch.
So let's write another book with 21th century knowledge. This is so much more sane.
originally posted by: olaru12
1 Corinthians 13:4-
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Sigismundus
The fact that there are still millions of people who at least try to live by the Bible today proves that it is not irrelevant.
originally posted by: Sigismundus
a reply to: chr0naut
You wrote "Also, those sections that you quoted included additions that are not in or supported by the original texts (things like YHWH being a clan-god). They were also removed from the context they were in. I'm sure I could do that with a newspaper story or "The Origin of the Species" to make them imply things they don't actually say" UNQUOTE
יהוה אלהיכם (your own god YHWH) really means 'YHWH your clan-god' (KJV The LORD your God) in that it is the clan-god of Yisro'el - just as other nations had their own gods that gave them their own lands...
see Judges 11:24
הֲלֹא אֵת אֲשֶׁר יוֹרִישְׁךָ, כְּמוֹשׁ אֱלֹהֶיךָ--אוֹתוֹ
תִירָשׁ; וְאֵת כָּל-אֲשֶׁר הוֹרִישׁ יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, מִפָּנֵינוּ
אוֹתוֹ נִירָשׁ
Will you not possess that which Chemosh thy clan-god gives you to possess? So whomsoever YHWH our clan-god (YHWH Elohenu) hath dispossessed from before us, them will we possess...
You can see at a glance that 'elohim' in contexts such as 'your god' or 'our god' is clan-based language as the above quote suggests.
clear as mud?
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: olaru12
1 Corinthians 13:4-
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
It's a wonderful definition of love. Which part doesn't matter?
originally posted by: THAnomalous1
a reply to: Sigismundus All scripture is inspired by God and is beneficial for teaching, for reproving and for setting things straight.