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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
There is very little incentive to write threads—do research, spend time editing, fact-checking, and participating in the subsequent debate—that one does so at a sacrifice to his own time and energy. Might as well just copy and paste something. Copy and pasting has become the norm. Very little thought have been put into them.
The reason I continue to write here is the odd thank you and words of encouragement that I get now and then, not to mention the one mod who applauses nearly every one of my threads. Besides writing for practice, I basically write for her and the one or two people who have said thank you—props to all my foes.
The ATS community needs to work harder to reward it's fellow members with gratitude, and not expect the management to do it for them. Thread writers will return if they learn their work is appreciated.
originally posted by: NihilistSanta
I felt I needed to respond because your view is the one that causes people to feel that ATS isnt "what it was".
originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
For the sake of context, I'm going to repost something something I wrote from 2009, that is appropriate here...
And the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round...
ATS is not what it used to be - 2003
On ATS, Ignorance Is Winning - 2004, before he was a mod
Get rid of points system on ATS. - 2004
content going downhill??? - 2004
ATS selling out: Membership quantity over quality - 2005
"Deny Ignorance" and the ATS Conspiracy... - 2005
is ats being hached/subverted from within or ? - 2005
Some quick examples (from hundreds) of how "everyone complains about the weather, but no one ever does anything about it."
As you can see, the phenomenon you point out has been a part of our community for years. Not to diminish from some valid concerns, but I call much of this a phenomenon for a reason... I've seen it before, I'll see it again, and I fully expect never to stop seeing it.
For the most part, I suspect what you are (mostly) experiencing is a valid phenomenon of the digital age, "forum fatigue." While you may not be aware of such a thing, and there's precious little written about it, it does exist. I've been managing online forums and groups since it was possible to do so... beginning with BBS groups in the slow dial-up days, moving to the largest CompuServe forum in the faster dial-up days, and onward to ATS. It's real. It happens every day. It will never not happen. It's human nature.
When you (or anyone) first join a new digital community, there tends to be four phases of involvement:
1) Exuberant participation due to an overwhelming amount of content on subjects that interest you.
2) Fitting into the flow as you have a solid comfort level with the community and its members.
3) Frustration as the lack of new interesting content that led to #1 begins to be hard to find.
4) Ongoing contribution to compensate for the perceived lack of interesting content.
Think about it... you come to ATS... are excited to find all this interesting content from so many different people... spend time soaking it all in... spend more time figuring out how to fit in... start to become comfortable in providing contributions... then, as you get your fill of topics, become frustrated over repeat topics... and more frustration as new users don't exemplify your own level of advanced "ATS sophistication"... and even more frustrated as your personal investment in time is subverted by what you perceive to be poor topics... brining us solidly into the third item above. The same happens on any forum/board/community of focused topics.
About 53% of members post anything... but less than 1% of those members (0.5% of all members) ever move past #3 and make an effort with #4.
Now, to be clear, I'm not attributing all of your concerns to "forum fatigue," only that it's a common phenomenon for users of our type of venue. There's always room for improvement, and we've been proactive in figuring out what needs to happen, but we also temper that with our collective experience (more than myself) in running big online communities.
And a related bit I also wrote from 2010: www.abovetopsecret.com...
If you (and others) are feeling the threads are lacking of late... why not work on some good threads, instead of thread about the lack of good threads?
Also... there's a well-documented phenomena (we have at least three or four threads on the subject somewhere in here) about forum fatigue that has something to do with what you think you're seeing. The short version is something like:
(1) When you first encountered ATS, you were floored at all the content.
(2) You joined with excitement.
(3) You devoured threads and marveled at some of the topics and replies.
(4) You jumped in, excited to be a part of it.
(5) Over time, you've come to be very familiar with the topics.
(6) Over more time, you're seeing fewer "new" topics (because you've nearly seen it all)
(7) You post less because you're not seeing as much new information as when you first joined (when it was all new)
(8) You make a thread on how there's not so many good new threads any more, rather than make a good thread.
originally posted by: blupblup
a reply to: NihilistSanta
ATS used to be almost entirely "out of the box" topics until politics became the number one most posted topic.
Now it's all just partisan nonsense and there is very little conspiracy talk on here at all.
At one time is was ancient civs, cryptozoology, 9/11, UFOs and Mars/Moon pics etc.
Now you'll be lucky to get one of those topics a day... it's all politics, mainstream news stories that are on the news anyway and have no real need to be here - but hey. that's the way of the internet apparently.
I like alternative stuff, I'd imagine most of us do, it's the reason we joined.
ATS is no longer out of the box or weird or different because it wanted to be the same as the other sites, to compete, keep up, stay ahead of the curve etc.
It wants to be social media, news-feed, make its own videos.... All sorts.
a reply to: NihilistSanta
If people post immature crap , profanity, etc its quite amazing. The site doesn't grind to a halt and descend into anarchy. Instead the adults don't feed the trolls so to speak.
originally posted by: ClownFish
a reply to: daaskapital
Actually this is to everyone. Sorry, I'm in an automatic and still looking for the clutch...
I'm only half way through this but I'm jumping in. I'm just one week on this site and I am a bit sad and confused by what I'm reading here. In fact I'm having trouble seeing through the tears swelling in my eyes. I'm also impressed by how long this thread is that didn't exist a few hours ago. It's only two days that I figured out what S&F means. Talking with initials is new but disturbing. Off subject, I remember when Toys R Us began with that backwards R. You speak of quality but this is something that seems to be rapidly deteriorating at both a global and fractal level. Don't blame ATS for that. Many of you have been here for ten years or so. That's almost a new generation. What would these younger people know of quality without example?
Sorry, I'm babbling. It's just that you folks saved my life last week. And yes, I've noticed the same people posting and wish these names were easier to remember. I go by many of the pictures. That fellow with the drinking glass, I so admire your patience and kindness towards another poster who certainly challenged my patience. I was glad to tell myself to go back to some other post, but grateful to know he was probably still there for this other person. This other person with the ghost name...your picture scares me so it has taken me longer to appreciate your posts. Now you are thinking of leaving too?
The original poster (oh, should I say OP?) doesn't like the subjects? Start a new one and see what happens. Actually, you just did and look at the responses already.
You people with so many S&F's that they have commas, please try to look at things with fresh eyes. I'm still red-light-green-lighting my way around and still don't know what a flag is or how to continue, split or erase a reply.
I just started to be brave enough to make some comments but soon noticed that my fake name, carefully chosen, often remained the last post so I stopped posting, thinking that I killed the thread or they may not want me in their sandbox. The other thing is that I figure that whatever "brought me to the dance" has probably already been rubbed into the ground already (sorry, I think I have the wrong metaphor) and I just need to find it.
Also I see something that has me wincing. One of you said that you figured out who someone was. I am overburdened with some things I know and things I've witnessed. If I just let it out I am certain I'd have some sort of accident or I'd be laughed into silence, or worse, just disappear. If it were just me, that might be okay but I have a husband who likes my cooking.
Sorry, this isn't about me, but yes it is, and it's about each of you. We are all in this together. We just haven't figured out yet what "this" is. But isn't that what brought all of us to the dance? If they aren't playing your song, then you play it. You might discover that lots of people were waiting for that type of melody.