originally posted by: Rasalghul
a reply to: Raggedyman
I personally think evolution is a areaming pile of ..it. But I am not a christian.
Thanks for the constructive post. I really appreciate the fact that you posted in a manner of actually being curious about the answer rather than
using it as a tool to look down on and discredit Christians as many do here at ATS. Since you have been very respectable in your post and your
questioning, I am inclined to answer. I normally wouldn't do so because so many people are one sided about opinions and personal beliefs. To most, I
don't have a right to have an opinion or belief because it's not on par with anyone else's strongly held belief, or it's not based on science, or it's
stupid and I'm ignorant because my thoughts are not like theirs. Personally I don't care what other people think. What bothers me is that people
scream equality and fair for all, yet they do not allow others to believe what they will and try instantly to smudge them out of partaking in a
thinking, rational world.
If I say that I literally believe in a 6 day creation, many if not most people would instantly think that I'm a bible thumper, an idiot, that I'm
going to stone them at any chance possible, have an IQ of 1, have no basis for my belief what so ever, shouldn't exist in the world... I mean... Many
people would rather see the likes of me dead and murdered simply because I wouldn't believe in evolution, or a 13billion year time table and so forth.
The funny of it all is, I would have gone through school, all 12 grades, graduated college with a major in 2ndary education (teaching) and a minor in
English, holding an admin tech position at a multinational multi billion dollar company with a salary of 70k a year. (yeah I know.. many wouldn't
even believe that) So based on everything OTHER than my beliefs, I would be a standup guy. Mix in my personal beliefs, I instantly become a whak
job. Funny how that works.
Though I digress. I wanted to give a little background in the concept before I proceeded.
- I don't know, to be honest. I believe they are real. I believe they have existed. I don't know how long ago they existed. I do believe that it's
possible that fossils could have been made over a 6+ thousand year period, but I'm not a geologist and I've never had the pleasure of burying a living
thing in the ground and waiting around for 6k years to see how it came out.
- I believe in a literal 6 day creation. Was each day thousands or millions of years or literally 1 day? I don't have that answer and I don't really
contemplate this as important. So I'll just stick with 1 day = 1 day. But without a sun, what does a day really constitute? Was the sun the time
clock for the earth or was a day predetermined by God and the sun made as the clock? I believe the latter. I also believe a lot can happen in only a
year and even a lifetime. So much happening in only 1 lifetime..... Imagine a lifetime is say... 50 years (I have no idea of an average between
current and past life expectancy averages). We've gone through 120 lifetimes. That's quite a bit considering. I kind of think of it as... If you
start with 2 people and their children and their children's children and so forth... Remember the idea that if you had a penny every day, and each day
you double what you had the day before... after a month, you would have 1 million dollars or something like that. The same idea for generations and
people over 6000 years comes to mind, even with all of the plagues and wars considered. Anyways... not quite the topic but more background
of this changes how I live, work, perform duties, or look at others around me. So again... why should it matter what I believe? Do people honestly
believe I would try to burn them at the stake or kill atheists? I believe life is important no matter who you are or what you believe.
- I believe it is the history of the world, though seen only through the eyes and life of a people, not multiple peoples or nations.
- I believe it is the embodiment of what was foretold in the OT and came to be in the NT. I believe it is prophecy fulfilled and a new covenant for
all instead of one people as in the OT.
- I look at the bible in the way that the creator was perhaps teaching a people to become teachers, not by words or direction but by living the
lessons to prepare the world for a world wide sized classroom. Do I take it literally? Yes. Though, there are many metaphors to learn from that are
simply metaphors, because people in those days needed them to learn. Telling them out right might have confused them. The same is true today. We
just call them philosophies. Some things were necessary in the OT for reasons beyond my wisdom no matter how cruel they may have seemed. I don't
have the answers, I just have faith in the purpose and reason and know that it's not all like that today. I wouldn't expect to see every detail
played out today as it was in those days. Some religions do try and I don't believe it's right, but there is purpose in their actions, just the
punishment outweighs the crime to me... Life is precious... Still... At the same time, I can see the anguish and destruction those crimes can do to a
person and their lives. So maybe the punishment does fit the crime? We can't see the bigger picture. We can only see from our eyes... Our level...
Our plane of existence.
The Book Of Enoch:
- Very interesting book. Is it or should it be part of the bible? My personal belief? Yes. Though, I'm not 100% sure because I really don't know
if it was made by someone with a great imagination that just tried to explain the unknown. I don't know if it's on the same level as, say, the book
of Mormon, or the Bible. I don't believe in the book of Mormon, but hey... it's possible it could be legit. I just don't know and it's too modern
for me to accept it without serious caution. The OT and NT and even the book of Enoch has lasted so many thousands of years. Combine that with the
message and the subject as well as the same God and Son for so many thousands of years, to me that holds merit and worth considering. So yes, I
believe it could very well be a worthy compendium for the bible.