Let's talk about supply, demand, and billionaires.

a reply to: ExNihiloRed

It's not too many people are fine with it, it's that there's too many people disorganized at different places in their lives with different priorities. Getting everyone lined up to be in the same mindset is near impossible with such numbers.

a reply to: Puppylove

Agreed. Organization is an entire matter itself. Just having the numbers in any given population is not enough.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

The collective average does not realize they can refuse certain working conditions.

The constantly "terrible" economy keeps them on their knees.

A large premise of this post is the premise that if people collectively realized they could demand better working conditions, companies would either submit or go out of business.

1) You can refuse working conditions (if they break the law). You can sue. You can leave. Quit. Businesses have no moral obligation to you in the long run though, outside of the LAW

2) Correct

3) If society is in a constant state of making "demands" on employers, and wielding that power, you have no more employers. Much of what is happening in Nations in Europe....France is a good example of the paradigm.

Again, too much power on either side, is not good. Another plank where the "Socialist" model is lopsided.

It doesn't account for WORKER greed, or worker stagnation and demands.

Too much imbalance in the power structure on either side won't work.

Collective Bargaining can become TOO "collective" and too "bargaining" till there is nothing to barter with anymore.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Okay time for opinion.

Do you believe any side currently has too much power?

I'd argue the government does, and it takes from both the worker and the owner.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: ExNihiloRed

It's not too many people are fine with it, it's that there's too many people disorganized at different places in their lives with different priorities. Getting everyone lined up to be in the same mindset is near impossible with such numbers.

That's why I didn't call for a boycott or collective action.

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.

— Adam Smith

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Okay time for opinion.

Do you believe any side currently has too much power?

I'd argue the government does, and it takes from both the worker and the owner.

Government is THE greatest hindrance for anyone below top tier Capital levels. We're Corporatist and State Capitalist.

The imbalance is THERE.

We have an oversupply of WORKERS. Screw workers. We need EMPLOYERS and CAPITALISTS.

Enough with this 'workers' crap, and "Education". We have an imbalance. Over-SURPLUS.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Is there room for employers?

Who can compete in a city that has a Walmart, for instance?

I.E. we need more people who are allowed to THRIVE at beginner tier levels, and save and accumulate CAPITAL.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Is there room for employers?

Who can compete in a city that has a Walmart, for instance?

Target

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

How can this happen?

Even if the government taxed far less, imposed less restrictions..

How do you compete with large businesses?

Especially if they are enjoying the same tax breaks and loose restrictions.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Is there room for employers?

Who can compete in a city that has a Walmart, for instance?

Walmart only sells a SMALL percentage of all goods made.

The mistake is that too many try to mimic their model.

"General Goods"

Wanna thrive in your neighborhood? Pick a NICHE business or service. Everyone wants to build 'stores' and sell general merch, or CLOTHING, OR JEWELRY.

EFFING IDIOTS. Every time one pops up I say "Well, that'll be gone in a year"

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

How can this happen?

Even if the government taxed far less, imposed less restrictions..

How do you compete with large businesses?

Especially if they are enjoying the same tax breaks and loose restrictions.

You sorta kinda answered your own question

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I live in a high tourism area, I could definitely find a niche.

Though accommodations is still a growing market in the area.

Liberal policies, and philosophies are teaching young people to be:

1) "Educated"....

2) Worker drones

F***CK BOTH

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Not really. Loosen the chains on Walmart, wouldn't they become a mega monopoly of retail?

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Is there room for employers?

Who can compete in a city that has a Walmart, for instance?

Without regulations, anybody with a car could deliver Walmart stuff to homes, for example.

Why would you want to compete with Walmart? Go into a different business.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Educated means different things to different people.

What I mean is competent and smart. Adaptive.

Not go to college for a business degree. Those people rarely are the best in business.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Not really. Loosen the chains on Walmart, wouldn't they become a mega monopoly of retail?

You can only shave MARGINS on products so much and grow at the same time.

It's a paradox in business. Especially Wholesale/Retail

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Is there room for employers?

Who can compete in a city that has a Walmart, for instance?

Without regulations, anybody with a car could deliver Walmart stuff to homes, for example.

Why would you want to compete with Walmart? Go into a different business.

UBER = F***CK THE SYSTEM = FREE MARKET CAPITALISM = THE OLD FASHIONED WAY

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

How can this happen?

Even if the government taxed far less, imposed less restrictions..

How do you compete with large businesses?

Especially if they are enjoying the same tax breaks and loose restrictions.

Don't compete with the best. Compete in something new, like solar panels or electric cars or robots or B2B stuff.

There is a lowest possible price and corporations are good at getting closer to that than anybody else.