Terrorist Sympathizer Obama Has DHS Delete Terrorist's Records!

Good Americans value freedom, rights, and equality as spelled out in the constitution. The framework that has led to more abundance (for America, and to hand out to the rest of the world) and less internal strife or external attacks, than any other experiment ever on the earth.

Not government.

The constitution is diminished as government grows. Some great men knew this from observing europe and Asia and the middle east for millenia, and they designed a country to avoid it.

If you continually hate all things that the constitution does or doesn't do, that America has accomplished as a result, and the way that America doesn't emulate other countries that are in the crapper, or continually fall into the crapper every so often, or are defunct, or are so ineffectual as to be defunct......

then yes, you do hate America.

One small note - America has made many mistakes over the years. I can admit that along with my admiration for the greatest framework and concept for a society ever on earth.

The pitiful truth is that those who despise America for not being communist or atheist or a veritable Sodom-Gomorrah for the LGBTinfinity crowd.......is that they will not, ever, under any circumstances praise anything America.

originally posted by: stevieray
One small note - America has made many mistakes over the years. I can admit that along with my admiration for the greatest framework and concept for a society ever on earth.

You can admit it, yet you neglected to mention any of America's mistakes that could very well have contributed to the sour opinions of America abroad in your review of American history.

The pitiful truth is that those who despise America for not being communist or atheist or a veritable Sodom-Gomorrah for the LGBTinfinity crowd.......is that they will not, ever, under any circumstances praise anything America.

There is no truth to any of this statement; it is merely insensitive hyperbole.

It is sad that so many times, important words like equality, freedom and civil rights are used as little more than rhetorical flourishes. Our Constitution, and the Government it created and sustains, represents one of the best, if not the best designs for equitable, fair distributed government in the modern world, that promotes and sustains both the rule-of-law and individual rights. Dozens of countries in the world have modeled their governments and their constituting documents upon our Constitution.

That document and the government of the People that it represents allowed the United States to capitalize on the unimaginable natural resources of our portion of the North American continent, and indeed, by working together the American people accomplished and continue to accomplish amazing things. We do not have to diminish or undervalue the accomplishments of the rest of the world, however, to prop up our own achievements. Well, most of us don't and didn't have to historically.

Our system of Government sustains and supports what the American People have accomplished. The idea that somehow someway ... all this would just have "happened" without the national strength and infrastructure that American's have accomplished THROUGH their government ... is utterly simplistic.

Simplistic, misbegotten and childish even.

You can't NOT have a federal government, lol. But nice dodge - derail..

The question is what exactly it's needed for. As a general rule, only those things that physically traverse or overlap state borders.

The list is actually very small.

Each state government can do virtually everything that the federal govt is doing today. They are supposed to be country-states just like europe, which has amazingly tried and failed to dissolve their countries into one communist entity. And utterly failed. And did I mention failed.

With our constitution, communism is not possible.

Socialism can be achieved pretty well, and can be present in any state that wants to sell it. Just as hyper-libertarianism should be allowed for any state, or unfettered capitalism. Any variant of religion as well, to include a state (not federal) religion. Or total atheism. Or islam, or whatever. America's laws, values, and ethics come from Judeo-Christian ideals, that's all.

The idea that "national" is some magic word is silly. America is designed to minimize the national, as well as the national nanny-state or police-state.

One of the organizations that Philip Haney became obsessed with is Tablighi Jama'at.

Tablighi Jama'at was founded in India in 1926 in India:

Theologically, the Tablighi Jama’at movement is closely tied to the scriptural, conservative Deobandi school of Sunni Islam, which emphasizes strict adherence to religious orthodoxy. Most of the religious scholars and leaders associated with the Tablighi Jama’at are followers of Deobandism.

Although Deobandism originated in South Asia (in the town of Deoband, near Delhi in northern India), it has much in common with the Wahhabi style of Islam that is associated with Saudi Arabia’s religious establishment. However, Deobandi doctrine tends to be more flexible than Wahhabism and is more accepting of other Islamic approaches, such as Sufism.

Tablighi Jama'at

This is a decentralized missionary effort that is literally worldwide and has been for decades (existing long before current extremism and terrorism associations with Islam.) It is also a Islamic "school of thought" which while still very traditional in it's doctrine, is certainly more flexible in acceptance of other systems than Wahabbism.

It is certainly easy, however, to trace many different mosques in many different countries to Tablighi Jama'at. Thus, if one is suffering under the idea that all Muslims everywhere are really "the enemies of American freedom and Christ," it's not hard to find those "connections."

The actual fact is that being a Muslim or a Muslim informed by thought does not a terrorist make.

Inside the Islamic Group Tablighi Jama'at

Asked about the association between Tablighi Jamaat and terrorist groups, he replied: "Tablighi is like Oxford University. We have intelligent people - doctors, solicitors, businessmen - but one or two will become drug dealers, fraudsters. But you won't blame Oxford University for that. You see, it does not matter if someone speaks in favour or against this effort. Everything happens with the will of God."

Religions do more harm than good.

Yes, this is can be classified as a belief, but it is also a verifiable statement of fact that is off-topic here.

I do not in any sense of the word mean to defend Islam.

Religions do more harm than good.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Religions do more harm than good.

Yes, this is can be classified as a belief, but it is also a verifiable statement of fact that is off-topic here.

I do not in any sense of the word mean to defend Islam.

Religions do more harm than good.

I'd have to disagree. Billions of people do good, nice, kind things in the name of all religions. And I include islam as well, despite the terrorists and the rest of the religion that won't do anything stop them.

The evil done in the name of religion is small in comparison, done by individuals and small groups. There have been wars based in religion, but even that is small in comparison to the massive good that comes from billions of decent individuals living today, and just as many that have come and gone.

I say this because I am actually an observant Catholic. Throw in every evil SOB priest that abused children, and just my one parish outnumbers them. Lots of plain, average, unassuming, but kind people.

I don't see how it's possible to discount this simple, obvious reality. Unless one simply wants to malign and denigrate, regardless of reason.

a reply to: stevieray

Your point is well taken; people do good regardless of religion.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: stevieray

Your point is well taken; people do good regardless of religion.

lol, my point was that there are billions of people doing good things through their religions, having nothing to do with the much-ballyhoo'd recitations and repetitions of the bad religious phenomena.

You are tricky and slippery.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Unless I read the article wrong...the whistle-blower claimed the Boston attack might have been prevented. So where are our representatives, the supreme court and the lawyers. Oh yeah. They don't do that anymore.

"EVERY" attack MIGHT, MIGHT, have been prevented.....there is more to this story, since it is so one-sided, with no response from anyone, whatsoever....but, why have that, when you are Obama bashing?

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: stevieray

Your point is well taken; people do good regardless of religion.

lol, my point was that there are billions of people doing good things through their religions, having nothing to do with the much-ballyhoo'd recitations and repetitions of the bad religious phenomena.

You are tricky and slippery.

Thanks.

So, you seem to be saying that bad and/or evil actions, on the part of some members, shouldn't condemn a whole religion?

I agree again!

Absolutely. I've never said or even thought differently.

I think we should take the time to evaluate the magnitude and meaning of things, though.

Magnitude and reach of islamic terrorism can't be compared to anyone else's today. Add in the official, embedded goals of sharia, caliphate, jihad, taqqiyah........makes it worse.

Inquisition, Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, some schmucks in Africa or Westboro.....not very timely or good excuses for the jihad.

originally posted by: stevieray


Magnitude and reach of islamic terrorism can't be compared to anyone else's today.

I would posit that state-sanctioned American (U.S.A.) terrorism is incomparable, ahead of Islamic terrorism...

originally posted by: stevieray
Absolutely. I've never said or even thought differently.

I think we should take the time to evaluate the magnitude and meaning of things, though.

Magnitude and reach of islamic terrorism can't be compared to anyone else's today. Add in the official, embedded goals of sharia, caliphate, jihad, taqqiyah........makes it worse.

Inquisition, Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, some schmucks in Africa or Westboro.....not very timely or good excuses for the jihad.

Magnitude and meaning ... good gravy, I agree again!

The real issue is the phrase "Islamic terrorism" because that implies several things. One, that terrorism is somehow directly related to Islam itself, which as you pointed out in regards to Westboro, pedophile priests, et. al. the evil people do does not consume or corrupt an entire religion of a billion or so people. It is indeed the MEANING of that phrase that is the problem. We could as easily and as descriptively simply say "terrorism" or "terrorist" or "ISIL terrorists in Iraq" or "terrorism sponsored by Nigerian Boko Haram" ... but when the "Islamic" is hung on the front, like it or not, the MEANING is that "Islam" has something to do with this "terrorism."

Example: Does it peeve you if I talk about Catholic pedophilia or Christian hate and ignorance?

Islamic terrorism does the same thing to Muslims for much the same reason: meaning and magnitude.

Two, you aptly and correctly pointed out that the evil that people do does not depend on their religion, nor do those acts reflect on that religion. In terms of those killed by ISIL terrorists in Iraq for example, more Muslims have been killed than any other religious group. Now, is it a greater or lesser evil to kill 100 Yezidi, 1000 Christians or 10000 Muslims? My answer would be that there is no greater or lesser evil ... 11,100 human beings have been killed by these animals.

Terrorism is used for political control and influence. Islam is not being spread around the world (it is the fastest growing religion and I tell you that doesn't help me sleep at night in my rainbow jammies) by terrorism. Terrorists who are Muslim are a minority population within Islam. Stevie, I know that kind of statement is what sends you over the top, remember we're talking about MAGNITUDE, and that is the same argument you quite aptly used regarding bad people who claim to be Christian.

Islam is not much more united than Christianity is (indeed it is arguably less so). Therefore, whenever words like "The Jihad" and "The Caliphate" are used, the implication is that there is a unified force of Muslims who are terrorists ... and this is simply not true. Al Qaeda fights ISIS, Boko Haram fights everyone ... etc. etc. Also, these are disparate groups spread around the world.

It is the INTENTION of terrorism to make a far larger more powerful population believe that THE TERRORISTS could be anywhere at any time doing anything. That's how/why terrorism works. That's what multiplies their effective forces a million-fold.

And that's what we have to take away from these bastards ...

... And THAT'S why some folks (like me) take exception to the catch-all insulting phrase "Islamic terrorism."

It's certainly not because we love the religion ... I care about several Muslim friends of mine ... and they know I could care less about their "delusions" ... but we agree to disagree and care about each other anyway. LOL.

I think it's because there are a crazy number of active and growing islamic terrorist groups.

ISIS
AQ
Taliban
MB
Boko Haram
Wahabbists
Hamas
PLO
Hezbollah
Abu Sayyaf
Abu Nidal
Al Aqsa Martyrs
Al Nusra
Al Shabaab
Al Quds
Janjaweed
Several in Bangla Desh
Several in India
Several in Russia

All muslim. With many shared attributes, beliefs, goals, tactics, heritage, figures, etc.

If any other religion had anything like this, you'd know about it. And these are just the ones that are widely known. There's a ton of others on the fringes.

No comparisons can be made to anybody else.

Why keep playing this game ?

a reply to: stevieray

Game? I thought we were actually having a nice conversation for a change ... darn it.

So, the actual answer here is that YOU can damn an entire religion based on numbers ... but no one else can.

YOU can ignore the other common characteristics of these groups ( the fact that they originate in wartorn countries, smaller ethnic groups that have been dominated or colonized by larger groups ... or that some of them are more different in their versions of Islam than Belfast Catholics are from Tuscaloosa Baptists?)

Nope this united front of Muslims all over the world working for the same goals against the same people ... Jihad! Caliphate!

All Muslim, all the time.

It is the fact that they are Muslim that they are dangerous, not the fact that they are terrorists.

I guess you weren't serious after all. You can damn a religion based on the actions of some of its followers.

I have to admit, that's disappointing.

originally posted by: stevieray

Magnitude and reach of islamic terrorism can't be compared to anyone else's today. Add in the official, embedded goals of sharia, caliphate, jihad, taqqiyah........makes it worse.

Inquisition, Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, some schmucks in Africa or Westboro.....not very timely or good excuses for the jihad.

I think there is confusion between causation and correlation.

Having closely followed the rise of Islamic Extremists over the past twenty years I think one thing becomes clear..

Islam does not create terrorists...Dictators, oppression, poverty, hopelessness, violence and bombs do.

If Islam did not exist, but rather that region of the world believed in the Spaghetti Monster, we would be combating Spaghettic Extremists right now.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
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There is ZERO evidence in any of this that Barack Obama personally commanded anything in this very odd chain of events to happen.

Back to this claim of yours.

First of all, he is the POTUS, so anything his administration does, and any legislation they pass has to be approved by the President... For you not to know this is ironic...

There have been other government officials who have become whistle-blowers and state the Obama administration is giving them orders to allow criminal immigrants into the United States...

Border agent: ‘We might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether’

By Paul Bedard, Washington Examiner, 2/4/16
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“The willful failure to show up for court appearances by persons that were arrested and released by the Border Patrol has become an extreme embarrassment for the Department of Homeland Security. It has been so embarrassing that DHS and the U.S. attorney’s office has come up with a new policy,” he testified before the immigration subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee.

The biggest change: Undocumented immigrants are no longer given a “notice to appear” order, because they simply ignore them. Judd said that border agents jokingly refer to the NTAs as “notices to disappear.”

He said the the new policy “makes mandatory the release, without an NTA, of any person arrested by the Border Patrol for being in the country illegally, as long as they do not have a previous felony arrest conviction and as long as they claim to have been continuously in the United States since January of 2014. The operative word in this policy is ‘claim.’ The policy does not require the person to prove they have been here which is the same burden placed on them during deportation proceedings. Instead, it simply requires them to claim to have been here since January of 2014.”
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www.capoliticalreview.com...

That goes for all illegal aliens, including criminals. As long as there is no felony arrest conviction in the United States for that person, they are not only allowed to stay, but are being ordered to be released by the Obama administration.

What's more, the Obama administration has released so far as of 2015 167,000 illegal alien criminals...

New Data Show Immigrant Gang Arrests
Disproportionately associated with the most violent Central American gangs

By Jessica Vaughan, March 27, 2015


Violent immigrant and transnational gangs such as MS-13, the Sureños, and 18th Street continue to present a significant public safety threat in many parts of the United States, according to arrest records released by ICE to the Center for Immigration Studies.

In 2013 (the most recent year available), ICE arrested significant numbers of gang members in California, Texas, Chicago, and the New York City and Washington, DC, metropolitan areas. Large concentrations also were arrested by ICE agents in Atlanta, Charlotte, and south Florida.

In addition to the large transnational gangs, smaller immigrant gangs that operate locally or regionally are a problem all over the United States in urban, suburban, and rural areas. Since 2005, ICE has arrested more than 32,200 gang members, leaders and associates. Arrests peaked in 2012, then dropped by more than 25 percent in 2013, and continued to decline in 2014.

This recent record calls into question President Obama's claim that gang members are among the highest priorities for enforcement. The administration has been severely criticized for legalizing known illegal alien gang members in the controversial Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, including Emmanuel Jesus Rangel-Hernandez, who has been arrested in North Carolina for the murder of four people.

You can see the ICE Gang Arrest fact sheet.

CIS obtained the ICE data through a Freedom of Information Act request as part of ongoing research on transnational gangs and ICE anti-gang enforcement programs. It shows that the most violent gang members arrested by ICE were disproportionately associated with the Central American gangs, including MS-13.
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cis.org...

But it doesn't stop there.

President Obama's "Deferred Action" Program for Illegal Aliens Is Plainly Unconstitutional

By Jan Ting December 2014

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2. Criminal Aliens Never Had It So Good

And what about criminal aliens, whose removal has supposedly so exhausted ICE resources that the government has nothing left for the arrest and removal of less dangerous illegal aliens? In fact, the FY2014 ICE statistics reveal that the number of criminal aliens removed from the interior has declined 39 percent since FY2011 and that nearly 167,000 convicted criminals who have been released by ICE are currently at large.52

Once again, the testimony of career officials belies the administration's propaganda. In his 2013 testimony to Congress, ICE officer Chris Crane explained that, contrary to the claim that "deferred action" was freeing up resources to focus on detaining criminals, DACA was being used to prevent ICE officers from inspecting and detaining jailed illegal aliens:

News has spread quickly through illegal alien populations within jails and communities that immigration agents have been instructed by the agency not to investigate illegal aliens who claim protections from immigration arrest under DACA. ICE immigration agents have been instructed to accept the illegal alien's claim as to whether or not he or she graduated or is attending high school or college or otherwise qualifies under DACA. Illegal aliens are not required to provide officers with any kind of proof such as a diploma or transcripts to prove they qualify before being released. ... As one immigration agent stated last week, "every person we encounter in the jails now claims to qualify for release under DACA."
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cis.org...

That includes the "DHS terrorist hands off list", among many other programs implemented under Obama, and with his agreement releasing illegal criminals, to then blame American laws, like the Second Amendment...

What Haney has stated is true and corroborated by other whistle-blowers who have made similar statements to Haney's.

The idea of any President ordering the destruction of such material constitutes treason - a certain conviction if there is an attack as a direct result of said intelligence being scrubbed.

Dubya and his goonies did just that when the WTC evidence was sold to China as scrap. I'm interested in the reasoning because they certainly aren't scrubbing info they've gained on American Citizens thanks to the Patriot Act.