So who exactly is the anti christ?

a reply to: Nochzwei
666 is the number of a man great, but you CALLING the man the antichrist is your words. Not the bibles. You can call him Sal Bass for all I care, its just as correct.

originally posted by: Rasalghul
a reply to: Nochzwei
666 is the number of a man great, but you CALLING the man the antichrist is your words. Not the bibles. You can call him Sal Bass for all I care, its just as correct.

The Bible does not repeat not, the use of common sense

a reply to: Nochzwei

Whatever dude that made no sense. THE Antichrist is not a biblical thing, as there are and were MANY people who were against christ.

Not related to the beast.

a reply to: Nochzwei

So don't get mad, if you disagree, tell me what part of the book of Revelation has an Antichrist prophecy, using the word Antichrist.

a reply to: infolurker

Yes he does do a very good job of drawing all the research together and putting it in a coherent commentary . It took me awhile to check all his stuff out ,and I eagerly wait for him to put out new stuff .one of my favourite teachers .

Dude 666 = Antichrist. so what if the word antichrist is not in the bible. Just use common sense to interpret
a reply to: Rasalghul

a reply to: Nochzwei

That's not common sense, it's literally common stupidity.

a reply to: Nochzwei

Antichrist is in the bible. But it's taking about PEOPLE who are against christ. Not to describe the beast 666. It's just a matter of people using the word wrong because it sounds cool. Your out of your league you haven't even read the bible.

originally posted by: Rasalghul
a reply to: Nochzwei

That's not common sense, it's literally common stupidity.

Intelligent people will interpret as I have pointed out. pointless trolling on this issue

a reply to: Nochzwei
It's not trolling, if you ues a word incorrectly like saying the antichrist when you mean the beast and I point it out, it's just a matter of correcting you. I'm not wrong , it is a mistake (if you care about being absolutely correct regarding biblical matters) the beast is beast and no amount of human error is going to change that. When you say THE antichrist you are mistaken because there is no the antichrist there are and were and always will be antichrists. But there is only one beast 666. If you can't understand that then you have a serious issue.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Over decades every president has been foretold to be the anti Christ. But so far none has surfaced. Now as foretold elsewhere is the false prophet hadid who is to come will be the anti Christ. We know that the second coming of our Lord is preceeded by the anti Christ, who will establish an evil kingdom upon the earth. So according to you who will be the anti Christ?

A better question is who exactly created the Anti-Christ/Christ polarity? I suspect (they both as opposing ideas or as physical brothers) come from or have the identical Creator. What is the purpose of an intended divisiveness between the two (cause change).

a reply to: vethumanbeingAntichrist isn't a bible prophecy, it is erroneous.

a reply to: Nochzwei

Well..... maybe we're looking in the wrong place. Maybe it's not a man....

a reply to: lavatrance
I'll give you a clue. You're correct its not a person. It begins with the letter after y and ends in ism.
Solomons seal, 666 talents of gold.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Over decades every president has been foretold to be the anti Christ. But so far none has surfaced. Now as foretold elsewhere is the false prophet hadid who is to come will be the anti Christ. We know that the second coming of our Lord is preceeded by the anti Christ, who will establish an evil kingdom upon the earth. So according to you who will be the anti Christ?

The Son said that while he, as the Light of the World was in the world, there was light - but the darkness was coming, when no one could work. Well, Christian churches have been claiming to be working since the times of the Apostles - without any results.

The Bible states that the Son will not return until the Apostasy [a change in former religious beliefs) which will reveal the Son of Perdition/Man - this is the Antichrist. 'Anti' means 'against' but it also means 'in place of'. So the question that needs to be asked is 'Who stands in place of the Christ?'.

If you can only see one Christ - then obviously, you're looking directly at the Antichrist! And there is proof to support this!

The Apostasy is when you revert back to the original beliefs according to the Bible, because within Christianity they have many changes - such as the name of the Son from Yeshua to Jesus, the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, the Biblically prescribed festivals from Passover, etc. as listed in Leviticus 23 to Easter and Christmas, the Biblical day starts at sundown but the Christian day begins at midnight, etc. etc.

Basically, Jesus is Christian deity, worshiped on Sunday,by Christians, as God the Son, second person of the Trinity and celebrated at Easter and Christmas.

Yeshua (the original name!) is 'kosher' Jewish High Priest, Son / Lamb / Word of God, who will lead his Israelite followers in worshiping only God the Father who is Spirit, on the Sabbath and at other Biblical festivals. Now you can see the distinct differences and the fact that there are two - one genuine Messiah and the other a false Christ!

Keep in mind that the whole thrust and context of the Bible is to Israel - and no one else! Moses gave the Covenant Law of the Ten Commandments to the children of Israel (which includes Judah) without specifying anything such as age, gender, tribe, language, [previous religious affiliation, nationality,] etc. Even the 'new' Covenant is made specifically with Israel and Judah.

So Jesus Christ in leading people away from God and standing 'in place' of the true Son of God, is the Antichrist and his symbol or mark, is the cross! Note: It is actually Judas Iscariot who is 'resurrected' to appear as Jesus Christ at his second coming. Satan so much wants to be God that he mimics Him.

a reply to: infolurker

You might like to check these identifications of the Four Beasts:

In Daniel 12:4, Daniel is told to shut up the [meanings of] the words, and [to] seal the book until the time of the end .
The recent revelations of the meanings of Daniel's visions is proof that we are actually living in End Times.

The Image of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream and the Four Great Beasts are traditionally identified as being the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Grecian and Roman Empires, with the Revived Holy Roman Empire still expected to come.
These traditional identifications fail to meet the criteria of these visions, so they can't be right. In the vision of the Image, a ‘rock cut without hand’ strikes the Image on its feet and the WHOLE of the Image crumbles from this blow. How would anything striking an empire that is still to come, cause the demolition of all of these ancient civilizations? They are already long-gone and dead.

In the vision of the Four Great Beasts, the fourth Beast is slain and the three former Beasts continue on for a year and a season , yet without their former dominion. If the former Beasts are the ancient civilizations of Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Grecian and/or Roman, then how can they continue for a set period when they are already a part of history?

No, there is another far more relevant identification that fits all the Biblical criteria which will affects all of us today! The fact that there is revelation and the unsealing of the Book of Daniel proves that these are End Days. It is not based on a geo-political scenario but is based on religious nations, specifically those that use the Bible.

The first Beast is described as "The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it." (Daniel 7:4 RAV)

The lion is an expression used in the NT where the Son of God is described as the ‘Lion of Judah' . While the expression ‘eagle's wings' is used to describe how God led the children of Israel out of Egypt. So here the Messianic Son as the Lion of Judah is described as the ‘eagle's wings' of God's plan of Salvation for mankind.

With this being the case, how has the lion been made to stand in an unnatural stance, how have these wings been stripped from the lion and how has a man's heart has been given to it? There is only one case in the whole of the history of mankind where has such a thing been done and that was at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.
This was an historic meeting where effectively Christianity was separated from Judaism by the non-Biblical changes in the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, worship from God the Father to God the Son Jesus Christ, and the religious festivals from the Biblical festivals of Leviticus to Christmas and Easter. In effect, changes were also made to the timing and purposes of the religious seasons.

"And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and [it had] three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh." (Daniel 7:5 RAV)
Christianity in around 1015 AD divided into two camps; the Eastern and Western Churches. Today we would know these as the Greek Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Churches and they finally split over the addition of the word ‘filioque' to the creed, which changed ‘the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father' to ‘the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son'.

This emergence of the Roman Catholic Church is the Bear described by Daniel. The Roman Catholic Church defines Mary as ‘Co-Redemptrix' of the world. In other words, she is recognized as Co-Redeemer of the world along with her son, Jesus Christ and this is the lop-sidedness of Daniel's Bear; the son being elevated slightly higher than the mother or vice versa, depending on how you look at it and who you venerate more.
The three ribs which denote devouring much flesh are shorthand descriptions of the three Inquisitions; Papal, Spanish and Universal.

"After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it." (Daniel 7:6 RAV)
The word ‘Leopard' means ‘mutant lion' which shows that this Beast is a mutated or watered down version of the Lion which is the Greek Orthodox Church. This Beast is the Protestant Church which broke away from the Roman Catholic Church at the time of the Reformation in 1517 AD. It effectively has four heads or four mainstreams; Calvinism, Lutheran, Anglican and Anabaptist or Wesleyan (Methodist). This last one is depending on which source you use.

The Fourth and most terrible Beast is not identified as a particular animal because this last Beast will consist of the worst traits of the first three combined. The Beast from the Sea (the Antichrist) is described as appearing to be a Leopard , with the mouth of a Lion and the feet of a Bear.

This means that we can quickly identify the elements of the Image of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream as the Head of Gold being the Jewish faith, the silver the Greek Orthodox, the bronze as the Roman Catholic Church and the Iron legs as Protestantism. Each subsequent metal being inferior.

The feet are of clay and this is not made of the same material as the previous ones, so we know we're not looking at a religious organization as such. However, recognition and identification of these feet of clay come from a different Biblical source.

The Fourth Beast in Daniel 7 is described as having ten horns and a Little Horn comes up and plucks three of these ten horns; so it could be said that this Little Horn is the eighth [horn] and is of the seven [other horns], which is exactly the Biblical description used to describe the horns/heads/kings of the Scarlet Beast in Revelation 17:11.
From the clues given in Revelation chapter 17, this Scarlet Beast is euphemistically identified as ‘Rome', which is the Roman Catholic faith but identification of seven heads in particular usually fails because there has been such a long line of popes.

A little recognized fact is that only the last eight Popes have been crowned as the royal and sovereign kings of that tiny kingdom known as the Vatican City. These are the seven kings which are also the seven hills on which this city sits. There are actually eight hills, if you count the Janiculum and there is also an eighth King who is going to perdition [destruction], who is the Antichrist and Satan gives the Beast from the Sea [aka the Antichrist] ‘… his power, his throne, and great authority’. Revelation 13:2

This COUNTRY is the feet of clay because it forms a secular power-base, so that the Pope as Sovereign of that nation, is on level-par with the leaders of other Protestants and Orthodox countries, and as Pope he also rules over and can call upon the leaders of Catholic countries to rally to his cause supporting Jesus Christ; which ultimately will be the Battle of Armageddon.

It also ties in with my previous post on this same topic about the identity of the Antichrist.

originally posted by: Rasalghul
a reply to: vethumanbeingAntichrist isn't a bible prophecy, it is erroneous.

The statement by Nochzwei was concerning world figures having the potential (for some) to be the 'anti-christ'. This is a wildly popular notion and of course not based in ancient scripture. Your point?

a reply to: vethumanbeing

My point is that it's erroneous.

originally posted by: Rasalghul
a reply to: vethumanbeing

My point is that it's erroneous.

Someone else's problem; not mine (take it up with Nochzwie originator of thought).