originally posted by: Shane
It is this normal Egyptian Papyrus that appears to have something that doesn't belong. It is the top photo on the link.
Okay... when talking about ancient civilizations, this is a pretty good place to start.
You've been misinformed. Severely misinformed
* it's not papyrus. It's a painting
* it's on the wall of a tomb. And there's a whole lot more to it than just that "image"
* in fact, there's actually writing on the original wall that says what' s going on.
* the image is taken by cropping one tiny part of a huge picture and then suggesting what you see. It's like me taking a badly photo of your nose and
then telling people to look closely because your nose isn't a nose... it's actually the Swiss Alps without snow.
* the "alien" only works if you are shown a poorly photographed version of the tomb wall.
* the whole thing is a hoax by Michael Cohen and is SO well known that it has a Wikipedia
* you can see the original at this web page. Scroll way down
My question becomes, why is it difficult to accept man may not have build Puma Pumku, or the Great Pyramid?
* the original sources making the claim don't know anything about the subject
* they don't study (or won't because it will destroy their idea) the whole culture in depth.
* they don't understand what they'e seeing because they think they can just look at something and "grok" what it means.
Now...when I look at something from Egypt, I look at it from the standpoint of a second year student who is getting a real university degree (with
tests and paper and research) in Egyptology.
And before you start saying "academics..." I think you should understand what I will have to do for that degree.
For my degree in Egyptology, I will be expected to be able to (and am tested on)
* identify artifacts generally (including the coffins) by period by sight.
* to be able to read some hieroglyphs.
* to understand geographic regions and the major towns
* to know the basics of the 3,000 year history of Pharaonic Egypt
* to know all the major deities (there are over 1,000 deities).
* to know the civil and religious calendars (or where to find them)
* know what people did (and the differences in jobs -- such as what lector priests do, what singers do, what chantresses do, who does what in the
temple, who works there, and what wab priests do (and where to find the information.))
* know some of the major battles (this month, we get into Thutmose III, so we'll get a lot of military stuff.)
* major events of each period and the actions of each major pharaoh of that period. I
* know generally the technology (stonework, brickwork, agriculture, jewelry, clothing, food, pottery, military, weapons, etc) of the era.
* know the major Egyptology museums, where their catalogs are, and do research for assignments and papers in those online collections.
* know and be able to write about the changes that each group of invaders brought into Egypt.
* know the prehistory of the Sahara desert and that area of Northern Africa
* be familiar with the names and titles of many pharaohs, their queens, and some of the high officials
* know the biographies of some of these people (as written in their tombs)
* be familiar with the major papyri out there
* be familiar with the many types of tomb designs
* know what Mesopotamia and other areas of the world are (generally... not in great detail) doing during this time.
* I am also expected (and have) to read around 200 books during this course, write about what I have read, and then become familiar with ancient
sources both Egyptian and non-Egyptian including mention of Egyptians in the Bible and by Herodotus and other travelers.
* in addition, I have to learn some German so that I can identify titles and some of the works because a lot of the earliest material in Egypt is
written in German or French. I have copies of the books produced by Napoleon's scholars which document some monuments and walls that were later
destroyed or damaged so badly they're now unreadable. My recent assignment (last month) had me trying to read online material from two of these
* also, unlike you and Michael, I've been inside that tomb. www.ancient-egypt.co.uk...
I'm working hard for this degree.
So I look the photo at it and see the writing, see a three-panel formal arrangement of the tomb wall, the cattle drivers on top (which then tells me
that it's going to be a scene about food offerings for the ka of the deceased), and I see two figures at an offering table and I know that somewhere
on that panel will be the "nesu di' hotep" phrase along with a listing of what they're depicting on the page and the names of the people giving the
offering and the name of the deceased.
You look at it and someone says "see the alien!" and you say "yes!"
Why should I believe you and Michael when I can look at the wall and read what the Ptah-hotep told the artists to carve on his wall?
...and it's the same way with Puma Punku (Harte, btw, has done archaeological digs all over the world and in MesoAmerica specifically, as I
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